Anyone else waiting to see if repeal of DADT is actually implemented

[Zorra]

before they pop the champagne?

Obama's certification starts a 60-day waiting period to implement the repeal — before "Don't Ask Don't Tell" is officially a thing of the past.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43859711/ns/us_news-life/

A poster in GD posted about how he did not think people were giving enough credit to Obama for the repeal of DADT.

I think the repeal of DADT is awesome, but I'll start partying when the deal actually goes down for real.

I'd say I'm afraid of getting left at the altar, but, unfortunately, I'm not allowed at the altar. Yet.

[MNBrewer]

1. There's still work to be done on equality in the military

even AFTER DADT is finally finished. The Obama hagiographers will have moved on to another topic by then, though.

[William769]

5. " Obama hagiographers will have moved on to another topic by then, though."

Only if it's to put Gays in their place.

[mitchtv]

2. count me in

I'll wait.

[TheWraith]

3. How is the deal not done?

The law has been passed. The certification has been done. There is literally no more steps, and no deals to work out.

[Zorra]

4. Obama's certification starts a 60-day waiting period to implement the repeal

— before "Don't Ask Don't Tell" is officially a thing of the past.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43859711/ns/us_news-life/

[William769]

6. Luckily we have that little 9th circuit of appeals just waiting in the wind.

Those pesky buggers. :sarcasm:

[TheWraith]

11. But there are no votes, approvals, authorizations, or any other stopping points.

There is no remaining obstacles.

[stevenleser]

21. You and I have this thing where we feel like logic should win the day. It often doesnt here when

Obama is being discussed. This whole OP and those who chime in to agree are some of the most potent evidence of that to date.

Notice that no one responded to you.

[Zorra]

22. I've been been disappointed and disillusioned, in the political realm,

too many times to have faith in anything political until it actually happens.

With the SCOTUS we have right now, I do not think that my concern is unreasonable.

[dbackjon]

24. Then why a 60-day period?

Why not end it today? What is the point?

[MNBrewer]

7. Literally no more steps

except the 60 day time period... THEN it's done. DO you have any idea what reality is like?

[TheWraith]

10. Again, there are no steps.

No approvals, no deals, no votes, no authorizations, nothing. There is no "stop" button and no reverse. So again, how is it not a done deal?

[MNBrewer]

18. A 60 day waiting period is a step

It is the legislatively mandated last step.

[Meeker Morgan]

23. A lot can happen in sixty days. You think the opposition will just sit it out?

I'll wait and see.

[The Philosopher]

8. We need the 60 days

because promises must be kept to bigots, who should never be told to not be bigots under any circumstance.

That's the word on the street, anyway.

[Zen Democrat]

9. Do you not know how the 60-day waiting period came to be?

It's a legacy from Senator Robert Byrd. He made his YEA vote for repeal of DADT contingent on a certification of readiness by the military followed by a 60-day waiting period before full implementation. Maybe he wanted to be dead before the repeal went into effect. He succeeded.

[DURHAM D]

12. I am concerned that the repeal does not contain a "non-discrimination" clause.

Pelosi and the House put it in. The White House and DOD wanted it out. Its out.

As I see it we may have a reset to 1982. At least the legislation is down but the military is back in full charge of policy and with no civilian over-sight. If we run into another Colin Powell all is for nothing. Now, at least, Obama can issue an Executive Order if things go south but will he?

Also, what about future Presidents and their Executive Orders?

Someone tell me where I am wrong. Please.

[guruoo]

13. No, they're going to wait until last minute, and say 'Sorry, only kidding'

:sarcasm:

[Pab Sungenis]

14. The thing that worries me is that the 60 day review

is supposed to be for "Congressional Review."

Anyone want to bet that some of the Teahadists try to block the repeal in the House? Don't get too complacent.

Still, the President finally did what he said he would do.

[frebrd]

15. What concerns me is......

what happens after the sixty days are up - when it's a done deal. It may not be career-ending for gay service members to come out - not completely, anyway - but I fear it may be
hazardous to their physical well-being. I can't believe the rabid right-wing religionists in the military (of whom there are far too many) are just going to let it go at that.

I'm seriously concerned that hate crimes will take place. I really, really hope I'm wrong!

[Zen Democrat]

16. Haven't the right-wing religionists threatened to leave the military?

Hope they do. The world would be a better place.

[stevenleser]

19. It will be the same as when African Americans were integrated.

There were some limited issues but the threat of the UCMJ and the punishments it prescribes is a pretty big hammer. You are an idiot to fool with that. Disobeying an order, acts against fellow soldiers, etc., carry horrific penalties. If you are 'lucky', you are offered non-judicial punishment which usually involves reductions in rank, forfeitures in pay and jail time (they call it the stockade or correctional custody, etc) which is a much more harsh environment than civilian prisons.

If you dont take non-judicial punishment or it isnt offered, the various courts martial procedings carry the weight of a federal conviction if you are found guilty, plus ejection from the military with less than honorable discharge. As in, your life is over, no good jobs for you.

[MNBrewer]

20. Non-discrimination language was taken out of the repeal

as part of the "compromise" through which it was passed.

[Marnie]

17. The law was repealed last fall, Obama is the Commander In

Chief of the military.

So why is the law not being obeyed. Why are the Generals allowed to defy American law and their Supreme Commander?