"Kill the Gays" Bill Is Back and Moving Faster Than Before

[William769]

The on-again, off-again plan to kill the gays in Uganda is back once more. And this time proponents are moving more quickly to ensure they don't run out of time to vote.

Uganda expert Warren Throckmorton reports that Otto Odonga, a member of parliament, expects the Anti-Homosexuality Bill could return by the end of August. Odonga is known for once having said he'd kill his son if he were gay.

The Eighth Parliament's session expired earlier this year without a vote on the bill, but the legislation is on a faster track in the Ninth Parliament. Odonga said the bill is “back from the perspective of the new parliament starting from where the last parliament ended.”

http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2011/07/29/Kill_The_Gays_Bill_Is_Back_And_Moving_Faster_Than_Before/

If this passes, what Countries do you think would offer asylum? Also do you think the United Nations would step in?

[Drale]

1. Are his eyes orange?

Thats not natural, if there is anyone who represents the anti-christ on earth it has got to be this guy.

PS. I'm sure if the UN did intervene, plenty of people here on DU would be against it, even if they where killing gays with machetes.

[TheWraith]

2. It looks to be more of a pink color. Possibly conjunctivitis. nt

[William769]

3. I give DU Members the benefit of doubt as being against this.

Save a few.

[Divine Discontent]

13. sadly, in that culture, you could start gossip about how he got that color in his eyes from sex with

men, and he'd probably be killed in a few weeks. I feel great sorrow for those in that country who are being persecuted for being who they are.

[Bluenorthwest]

4. Christian extremists strike again

Religion is a force of pure evil.

[NMMNG]

7. They aren't Real Christians

Or so we'll be told.

[Divine Discontent]

11. they're inhuman murderous thugs, and just because they put the label "Christian" on themselves does

not make them so.

[NMMNG]

14. ....

No True Scotsman Fallacy

According to the RRRWers, the Liberal Christians aren't "Real Christians" because they support choice, marriage equality, and other such sinful things. According to the Liberal Christians the RRRWers aren't "Real Christians" because they support the death penalty, intolerance of LGBT people, anti-choice laws, and other oppressive/hateful positions. So who are the "Real Christians"? Who gets to judge? Why should it be you rather than, say, Pat Robertson?

[Divine Discontent]

15. Christ said do unto others as you would have done unto you - therefore anyone advocating murder is..

saying, "kill me, too!" It's not hard to determine if someone is living according to the beliefs of Christ. We are known by our words and deeds. Pretty simple to distinguish who is advocating murder, and who isn't... The liberals on this site who are believers are extremely progressive because we believe in the teachings of Christ.

Jesus said in the sermon on the mount (and you let me know if these people that call for the murder of Gays live these tenets of faith),

"Matthew 7:1 Judge not, that you be not judged.

7:2 For with what judgment you judge, you shall be judged: and with
what measure you mete out, it shall be measured back to you again.

7:3 And why do you behold the speck that is in your brother's eye, but
consider not the beam that is in your own eye?

7:4 Or how will you say to your brother, Let me pull out the speck out
of your eye; and, behold, a beam is in your own eye?"


Or ANY of the multitude of other teaching of Christ about caring for the poor, or the peacemakers, or the merciful? They don't live that when they call for murder. You go right ahead and lump us in with murderers all you want, that's your choice...

[NMMNG]

16. The Bible advocates death to gay people

I'm sure I don't have to quote the verses.

So the Christians who call for gay people to be put to death fervently believe they're following the Bible as much as you believe you are. That's the danger with the Bible. People can cherry-pick it to suit whatever their personal agenda is. They take the parts that agree with what they believe and ignore the rest. The RRRW selects the "death to gays" and "women are subordinate to men" parts and ignore the "do unto others" and "pray in your closet not in the streets" parts. Liberal Christians ignore all the parts where God orders believers to kill gays, non-virgin women, nonbelievers, practitioners of other faiths, bratty children and practically everyone else under the sun and just follow the parts that make them feel all warm and squishy inside.


Sorry, you don't get to disown people from your special club just because you don't like what they say and do in Jesus' name.

[Divine Discontent]

17. Christian means follower of Christ, and he doesn't say any of that, there's the point

yes, people can choose to ignore whatever parts they want - what do you expect? even if there's no "god", do you think we don't have freedom of will? Christ's words only do that "warm and squishy" stuff, that a billion take seriously, and you're referencing the extremists.

We liberals get into it with the hateful "Kills the non-believers with a nuke" people all the time, and the Gays are against God ranters all the time - that does not change our belief in Christ as Savior, that's what He calls us to do, stay strong in the face of adversity and fight for the weak and mistreated in society. We liberal believers are responsible for our own choices, not the people you want to include with us.

We know there will be false witnesses, and frankly, there are secular examples of people who claim to be this or that but are secretly something different, like con artist contractors ripping off the elderly, or dirty cops, pervert teachers and on and on - do those people give any of us the right to lump all those people together in a ball like some do here with the violent people who claim the bible tells them, against Jesus the Savior's own words, that they're supposed to kill the infidel? I think that's weak, and disrespectful to the people here who have so many stories of doing good for others. I have stories in my journal and I've read many great stories on DU of people who believe and fight the good fight against the fundamentalist extremists.

I stand with you against the extremists. I only wish you'd stand for the understanding it's wrong to lump people all together when anyone can choose to dirty the lake and claim that all the streams leading to it are polluted. Call out religious extremists, but it'd be nice if you see it's not accurate to lump all people together when we cannot control those who lust for violence and control of others. As they say, some people just wanna see chaos and watch the world burn, throwing "Christian" on themselves by choice doesn't mean they are behaving like the person who people have studied for 2000 years.

[NMMNG]

18. Denying the fact that they are Christians

And that they do/say what they do in the name of Jesus/Christianity is both foolish and dangerous. It may help you sleep better at night but it doesn't do anything to alter the reality--that for centuries people have been committing atrocities, and they still are committing atrocities--in the name of Christianity. Yes, there are plenty of Christians out there doing good things. But are we to ignore all of the harm cause in the name of Christianity because of some good deeds? Wow, that church called for gays to be executed but it's all well and good because they fed the homeless in the park last week!


Nobody is claiming you're the same as those assholes. But you don't get to claim they're not Christians just because you don't like them any more than I get to claim Ayn Rand wasn't an atheist. I'm sick to death of people only claiming other Christians when they're doing and saying things of which they approve, then playing the "not a real Christian" card to assuage their hurt little feelings. Martin Ssempa, Pat Robertson, Scott Lively and the rest of those bigoted, genocidal bastards spread their bile in the name of the Bible/Jesus/God. They are Christians whether you want to accept it or not. They may not be members of your particular sect, but they're still Christians. But cheer up--they don't think you're a Real Christian either.

[Scottybeamer70]

5. I can't imagine any sane person voting for that bill...........

but sanity is not an asset of too many people.

[ShadowLiberal]

6. But that's just the problem, the bigots who support this bill aren't human

A line from a movie about a civil rights era I saw in school sums up the racists and bigots well.

"Those people over there, they aren't human man".

I forget what the movie was called, but that's what a white guy who decided to join a bunch of African Americans in a civil rights protest said in the movie while they were surround by really angry protesters being held back by police.

The same applies here, those in the Uganda government who would vote for this bill are so consumed by their own hatred that they aren't human anymore.

[Kurska]

8. Their country is a shithole and will remain one so long as they put bigotry above good governance.

Fuck them.

[millych3]

9. "Odonga is known for once having said he'd kill his son if he were gay."

What kind of a father is he?

[Creideiki]

10. Probably Canada, Ireland, the Netherlands. Maybe the UK--

I think they've been establishing rules for asylum for people who would be harmed for their sexual orientation back home.

Don't think the US is ready to make that step yet.

[Divine Discontent]

12. I hope we make that step! We're pretty close to getting there.