Do not ignore the question because it was asked in an offensive way. I reiterate....

[Pab Sungenis]

If Skinner's kids turned out to be GLBT*.*, would he tolerate them being treated the way gays are treated every day in every corner of DU?

Would he accept the abuse and scorn that gets dumped on us by other posters? By his own staff?

So now the question has been asked in a much more diplomatic way and with more respect than is honestly due in this case. So now answer it.

If Skinner's kids turned out to be GLBT*.*, would he tolerate them being treated like us?

[TexasProgresive]

1. Links?n/t

[William769]

2. There is only one person qualified to answer that question.

Have to leave for a doctors appointment but will be back later with more thoughts.

[Iggo]

15. .

:hi:

[Ian David]

3. I thought there was going to be a Gay Ombudsman or something soon? n/t

[Pab Sungenis]

6. What we'll be able to do

is lock disruptors out of the GLBT forum. And believe me I already have a list ready to go.

But it will do nothing to solve the overall problem of anti-gay abuse elsewhere on DU, especially in the ranks of its "staff."

[La Lioness Priyanka]

4. i think its perfectly ok to ignore a question when its asked offensively

examples: why is hillary such a bitch? is ann coulter a tranny?

the skinner kid question was asked in such a grotesque way that i put the author on ignore.

i think if one of the admins had a gay child, it would likely changed the way they saw lgbt issues. they would be more sensitive to snide attacks and subtle bigotry toward lgbt people (one hopes).

however, there is no reason to call someone's child crotchrot. i personally dont really like children, and think that people should adopt more instead of making so many babies, and yet i found that really offensive.

[Pab Sungenis]

5. The original question was phrased offensively

but is still a valid question.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

7. then it should be asked in a way that one treats it as valid. nt

[Pab Sungenis]

10. Did I or did I not do so?

Or is there another reason you choose to ignore it?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

13. you seem to be blaming peopel for ignoring the last thread

which i do have an objection to.

[Pab Sungenis]

16. Not ignoring the thread

but the question it raised. Almost all the discussion was about how offensive the term used was. I concur, but the question itself is valid.

Would Skinner tolerate one of his kids being treated the way GLBT*.* are treated here on DU?

[MNBrewer]

36. I don't think the term was offensive

but then, i'm not a big fan of children. I want them to stay off my lawn, and not scream in restaurants.

[Sub Atomic]

19. "Crotchrot"?

:rofl:


Is that how you viewed what I had to say?


What's sad is that really speaks volumes more about you than it ever could about me.

[DonCoquixote]

34. I agree

Sadly, being from a group does not ensure that you actually do sympathize. Consider the fact that many of the worst anti gay politicians turned out to be in the closet. On a more mundane level, many of the Log Cabin GOP just have a mental disconnect, no matter how many times you ask them "why do you support people who HATE you?"

It was still a fair question if stated without the intent to insult, but the insulting, well, it was like pouring maggots on Ice cream. The Ice cream is still there, but you would not want to eat it. If you want to get respect, you have to offer it, or else wonder why no one listens to you.

I personally do think this board needs to fix the ways bigots of all sorts use loopholes. I also think that people need to realize that if, for example, I did not want Hillary in 2008, that does not make me a sexist, anymore than being against Obama makes you a racist. Civilized people can agree to disagree, and if people cannot be civilized, their opinions are moot as they will eventually make a mess of whatever you invite them to, the way pigs ruin a carpet.

[Rowdyboy]

8. It was one of the most offensive threads I've seen on DU in 10 years....

Posted by someone who had been spamming the forum for several days with personal rants. The response from serious DUers was absolutely predictable.

I'm not concerned about Skinners childrens' sexuality right now. The GLBT forum has been a very important part of my life since we first lobbied to have it formed. That you would defend this trash as somehow deserving of a serious response tells me I probably won't last long in DU3.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

9. i tend to agree

[WillParkinson]

14. We'll probably end up in the same outside looking in...

I was grateful for the hide thread. I've used it more in GLBT in the last 2 weeks than on DU proper in 10 years.

[Pab Sungenis]

18. I'm not defending his terminology

but AM defending the question at the heart of it.

[Sub Atomic]

20. thanks for your support, from the bottom of my heart.

I've always had a problem with expressing myself in what others deem 'appropriate'.

It makes it harder when the goalposts keep moving, as The Establishment here wants to continue to do.

[laconicsax]

29. Are you fucking kidding me?

One of the most offensive threads in 10 years?

[Rowdyboy]

30. No I'm not fucking kidding you

[laconicsax]

31. So the racist, sexist, classist, and homophobic threads are surpassed by the word "crotchfruit."

:wtf:

[Rowdyboy]

32. Your friend was way out of line and has serious issues....I'm fed up with his spamming,

I'm really glad he's gone, and I really have no interest in wasting 30 seconds of my life engaging with you.


Goodbye

[laconicsax]

33. I'll take that as an acknowledgement that it wasn't as bad as you said.

Have a pleasant evening.

[William769]

11. I believe Skinner would do what a rational person would do to protect their child.

From what I read of Skinners post over the years leads me to believe that he will be a great and loving father who would also be very protective of his child.

Yes I agree that Skinner does not fully understand bullying in our community, it can be done so artfully (sometimes not) that a non GLBT member would not see it.

With that being said I mean this from the bottom of my heart we are not Skinners children and to compare the two no matter how asked, in itself is not fair.

With the soon to launch of DU3 I hope (always the optimist) that things will get better (at least in this forum). As for the other forums who knows.

I have a website although it is very small on every page I have a

I would encourage Skinner to do the same and to follow through.

There are classes out there can can and should be taken. Someone who runs a website as big and diverse as DU is I would encourage those courses.

[Pab Sungenis]

17. Thanks for your comments.

It's still a good question.

[uriel1972]

12. Took me a while to work out what 'crotchfruit' was

but the question was valid and I hope if it were the case that Skinner would respond as a decent human being. For a long time I have kept myself to this forum and the skeptics/athiests and have not seen the casual bigotry that is spoken of with my own eyes. The reports are enough to make me cautious about wandering off the beaten track. That is sad to say, but nounexpected DU has slowly become a more hostile place for me over the years.

[NMMNG]

21. It is a valid question

Not just for the site admins but for society at large.

[Sub Atomic]

22. Thank you for supporting the question.

I'm sorry you don't get where I'm coming from and never will.

[NMMNG]

23. I get where you're coming from

I just don't support your scorched earth methodology.

[Sub Atomic]

24. Then stop damning me for my message.

I'm sorry but I don't know any other way to get people outraged about this shit.

I'm a science/math dweeb, not in any way an English/oratory person. I think by now that should be obvious.


Don't get pissed about how I'm saying it. Get pissed about what I'm saying.

[foreigncorrespondent]

25. While I understood the...

...question in the other thread, and wanted to answer it, I found I became disheartened at the way we are fighting among ourselves.

Personally I think the only person who can answer is the man himself. Apart from that everything is really just idle speculation, and our anger over the way we are being treated here.

Personally if it was my child, then no I wouldn't tolerate it.

[Sub Atomic]

26. Thanks.

For some of us, the anger of how we're treated here is compared to wanting to create some mythical ideal posting realm where there are cotton candy clouds and rainbows and unicorns.

Those that want to Establish how us Gays are supposed to act in this mythical 'polite society' are the problem in my not-so-humble opinion.


I never was welcome in those 'polite society ladies'' homes.

[foreigncorrespondent]

27. One thing...

...you need to learn and learn fast is, it isn't a case of "some of us." It is a case of all of us. All us DU old timers have been fighting both the militant and in your face homophobes on DU since its creation back in '01. And we all worked together without disruption all over the place... after all the best way to put someone down, or show them up to be the idiot they are is to be above them... they hate polite, they want fights, so they can get you removed instead.

[DonCoquixote]

35. Please ponder this

I understand rudeness can force people to think, but it can also ensure that no one thinks, as it becomes the star of the show. There is Boxing, which is aggressive, brutal, but does not have eye-gouging, head-butts, kidney shots, biting, or low blows. Why? because that is what keeps it from being a mess where both combatants end up dead. Now, if a boxer keeps doing that, they end up losing the fight, or losing their career ala Mike Tyson.

I am not saying you have to be in some mythical polite place, I am saying that you should try to be, at the very least, the opponent who can be respected for their skill. Anyone can be a thug.

[laconicsax]

28. Invisible rec. n/t