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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 11:42 AM
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Pope: Gay Marriage 'Destroys The Fabric Of Society'
http://www.365gay.com/newscon04/12/121904pope.htm

and what about the most powerful Christian church hiding the fact that its priests have molested children for years?

what does that do to the fabric of society?

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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 11:43 AM
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1. Religion in govt & law destroys the fabric of society.
Stupid Pontiff!
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Danocrat Donating Member (485 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 11:44 AM
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2. Yea right
and religion has ended wars and caused peace throughout the world
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 11:45 AM
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3. I was about to say...
As opposed to molesting altar boys?

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TaleWgnDg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 10:22 PM
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18. Lemme get this *straight* (pardon the pun) . . .
Edited on Wed Dec-22-04 10:30 PM by TaleWgnDg
Lemme get this *straight* (pardon the pun) . . .

This is an institution -- the Roman Catholic Church -- all across the planet which has for generations and generations been molesting young children and children-not-so-young. In addition, this practice has been knowingly and intentionally approved by this institution, for it knowingly and intentionally passed these sexual molesting priests within the Church, parish to parish to parish to parish thereby setting-up further molestation of children.

Repeat, knowingly and intentionally did this.

It has failed for these many generations (is it centuries?) to do the one thing that it is charged to do; that is, to protect the very children with whom it is charged to protect from harm when parents and others have left the care of their children in the Church.

And the Roman Catholic Church, who has perp'd these heinous wrongdoings, has the unmitigating gall to discriminate against human beings solely on the basis of their sexual orientation? Not only that but to blatantly and openly defame people due to their sexual orientation? To instill fear into the heart of people due to sexual orientation?

Is this some form of attempted deflection away from their own immorality? decadent and degenerative behavior? their own illegalities? their own criminality?

The spin and twists that the Roman Catholic Church perpetrates in the "name of God" is by itself immoral, and remains so for centuries. This is merely one more of those twists.




(edited for grammatical/typo error)

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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 11:45 AM
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4. Corrupt morally bankrupt religious institutions destroy
the fabric of society.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 11:49 AM
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5. with all due respect
Gays aren't responsible for this:



The pope would do well to focus on the real forces that are destroying society.
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Patiod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 11:54 AM
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7. He did speak out against the war at the start
Is he no longer doing so, or is the rightwing US press just not reporting it?
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 12:11 PM
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8. Maybe the pope needs a blog
bloggerpope.
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livinginphotographs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 07:25 PM
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11. Too. Fucking. Funny.
Or from the Simpsons, oldcoot.com.
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FM Arouet666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 03:22 AM
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13. What a fucking pathetic picture
Nope gays are not responsible, nor are atheists, pacifists or democrats in general. The religious right, the GOP and 60 million Americans are. Who will explain to her that America needed to invade her country to make a stand in the middle east and secure oil to maintain our way of life? I become more ashamed of my country by the day.
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oly Donating Member (214 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 11:50 AM
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6. When this guy was elected, he was considered somewhat of
an open minded person, believe it or not. I wonder who we'll be the next Pope and I wonder what he'll be like, NOT.
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Duncan Grant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 05:25 PM
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9. And the Church was wrong about Galileo, too.
It also burned people at the stake, was complicit in the destruction of South American cultures, etc. etc. etc.

I could do without the rhetoric from Rome. You boys have been wrong before; you're certainly wrong now. :grr:
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livinginphotographs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-04 07:24 PM
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10. The pope has about as much credibility to me
As a bum on a street corner preaching the gospel.

Who the fuck cares anymore what this batty old man thinks?

Oh wait, a ton of the American public. :puke:
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FM Arouet666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 03:14 AM
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12. What a load of crap
This from a man who presides over a church which has historically persecuted members of opposing religions, jailed originators of scientific thought, signed a concordat with Hitler and turned a blind eye to genocide not to mention ignoring generations of children molested by those who violate a sacred trust. The fabric of society? Society has flourished with the decline of religion and the advance of science and tolerance.
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TaleWgnDg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 03:55 AM
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14. There's absolutely and positively NOTHING to back-up these
Edited on Tue Dec-21-04 04:01 AM by TaleWgnDg
There's absolutely and positively NOTHING to back-up these Papal allegations!

NOTHING! Nothing in science. Nothing in law. Nothing anywhere to back-up a stitch of what the Pope is pushing as fear-mongering to the masses:

1.) "Attacks on marriage and the family, from an ideological and legal aspect, are becoming stronger and more radical every day" (from the Pope's statement).

2.) "Who destroys this fundamental fabric causes a profound injury to society and provokes often irreparable damage" (from the Pope's statement).

3.) "These things that are presented as civilized progress or scientific conquests, in many cases are in fact a defeat for the dignity of human life and for society" (from the Pope's statement).

None of the Pope's fear-mongering holds a shred of truth. Here's a long list of medical professionals who've done scientific studies on these subjects and more . . .

http://www.apa.org/pi/parent.html . . . and . . . http://www.apa.org/pi/l&gart.html

I wonder, will the Pope make such statements about the Bible Belt in America who holds the highest divorce rate in America? Or will the Pope make such statements about the Bible Belt in America who holds the highest out-of-marriage births? What's this about "more radical every day?"

Has the Pope heard that Massachusetts -- who is the sole State in the nation to allow same-sex marriage -- also has the lowest divorce rate in America? And it's a "no fault" State too! What's this about "more radical every day?"

In addition, I am still awaiting the Pope's edict about America and the death penalty too. Again, what's this about "things that are presented as civilized progress?"

What damn hypocrisy!!!

edited to correct an url.


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renaissanceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 05:02 AM
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16. Fundies never listen to science.
If it were up to them, science and any rational thought would be abolished.
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Jesus W. Bush has arrived! http://www.cafepress.com/liberalissues/454055
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TaleWgnDg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 05:14 AM
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23. Well, then, perhaps a *movie* on PBS would help . . .
Well, then, perhaps a *movie* on PBS would help drive home the rationality . . .
http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/daddyandpapa/parenting.html

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

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Moloch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 04:19 AM
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15. I agree
The pope must be getting senile....

Religious folks like to tell us it's a sin to have sex before marriage..
It is also a sin for us to get married.

It's like some kind of horrible snafu.
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Brian_Expat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 12:13 PM
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17. Uh, no. . .
On the other hand, the organized rape of thousands upon thousands upon thousands of children by authority figures they're raised to trust implicitly "destroys the fabric of society" -- especially when the religious leadership covers up the crimes and ships the rapists to new areas where they can find fresh victims, over and over.
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BTTB Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-04 11:34 PM
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19. This gets a major
:wtf:

I'm tired of the pope, and I'm a fucking christian.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 08:23 PM
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20. Faith-Based Bigotry and Faith-Based Hatred From The Pope! Oh Nice!
Edited on Sun Dec-26-04 08:23 PM by arwalden
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 09:48 PM
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21. Maybe he's just not doing it right.
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Lexingtonian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-04 02:00 AM
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22. ah well, let me supply a translation

Gay marriage and just about everything else the RCC doesn't like involves Catholics asking questions, demanding sensible answers, and not procreating at a rate that assures eventual RCC world dominion aka The Prime Directive. RCC priests diddling, boffing, and raping is, well, uh, not the same kind of problem.
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