Oh God, please don't look at my naked body in the shower!!!

[cboy4]

Yah know, I just saw some soldier on TV talking about the military ban on gay people.

This male, who appeared to be his early 20's, said he supports the ban because he doesn't want gay guys checking him out in the shower! Are you kidding me?!?!

I've spoken to a number of my STRAIGHT male friends about this whole shower issue and all but one admitted even they sneak a quick peak because they're curious about how they measure up. They even said they do the same at the urinal for the same reason.

Isn't this normal male behavior??

What just gets me about the military policy against gays is here you have these soldiers who are willing to dodge bullets, risk getting blown up by roadside explosive devices, risk the chance of being getting kidnapped and tortured.....

BUT when it comes to taking a shower, these brave, tough, macho soldiers all of a sudden become wusses at the thought of a gay guy getting a look at their junk

So what? Who cares? Are they afraid the gay guy is going to start dry humping them?? I just don't get it!! :shrug:

[rfranklin]

1. No, it's the WET humping that they fear....

Hey, that was worth a laugh, wasn't it?

[cboy4]

Not quite as funny as Cheney shooting a guy in the face, but yea...

I laughed. Nice job LOL

[swimmernsecretsea]

18. Which reminds me...

From our friendly neighborhood sex advice columnist Dan Savage, here's a quote: "Confidential to everybody: "Pearl necklace" is out. 'Cheney' is in. Pass it on."

Source link: http://citypages.com/databank/27/1316/article14149.asp

[Iris]

2. But he'd think nothing of ogling a teeanger walking by in a pair of shorts

What a pig.

[JuniperLea]

3. I believe

That only those who are unsure about their own sexuality worry about the sexual preferences of others.

[Ilsa]

4. Yeah, and aren't the Marines' facilities even less private?

With toilets & urinals lined up without privacy stalls, you'd think they were encouraging them to check each other out.

[LiberalinNC]

5. Apparently this male solider isn't comfortable w/ his

masculinity!

[northzax]

6. yes, they are.

this is my theory. Take a good, traditional, red-blooded american male (stereotype) he likely objectifies women in a big way, if a woman was in the shower with him, he'd be checking her out the entire time (especially a hot woman, and all GTRBAMs think that they, themselves, are hot, right?) so they treat the woman like a piece of meat. hey, I'm straight, and I check out attractive women all the time, it's habit, and I know it's a little wrong, and I feel a little guilty sometimes...

and they're afraid that the gay guy in the shower is doing the exact same thing to them.

[cboy4]

10. YOU LESBIAN!! LOL

Seriously, good point :)

[northzax]

12. hey, if my girlfriend caught me doing more than checking someone out

I'd be one faster than you can imagine...

[cboy4]

11. Oooops....you're a guy. Sorry bout that

:rofl:

But still a good point

[mitchtv]

30. Many are not worth a second look, it may be a coincidence, but

it seems the ones most worried have the least to worry about.

[readmoreoften]

45. I agree. This is where I think homophobia is rooted in sexism.

The idea galls het men that gay men could be looking at them the same way that they look at women. They confused being looked at "lustfully" with being looked at "as a woman". They also dislike lesbians because we intentionally repel their gaze (when butch) and covertly reject them (when femme-- and we simply confuse them if we are androgenous).

They are able to brave bullets and bombs but not boys in the bathroom because they would rather be dead then looked at the same way they look at women-- what does that tell you about how they look at women?

(Of course, gay men are not looking at them as "women" but as men! But they don't grasp this emotional logic.)

[Orrex]

7. "Are they afraid the gay guy is going to start dry humping them??"

What a silly question! They're not afraid of that at all.

Instead, they're afraid that they might like it if the gay guy starts dry-humping them.

[cboy4]

14. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Good answer!

:applause:

[CottonBear]

8. I have no idea about guys but women don't mind taking group showers.

I've showered at the YWCA and at college gyms. Gay, straight, old, young, single, married women share showers and locker rooms and no one has any problems with that. (I'm a straight woman.)

Maybe this is purely a straight male insecurity issue rather than a gay issue.

[William769]

9. Most straight males are insecure in their masculinity.

It's so sad it actually funny.

[ronnykmarshall]

47. Well when they get a look at .....

our massive homo members, they'll walk away in shame.

[Gildor Inglorion]

13. What a bunch of crap!

I spent two years in the army (yes, LONG ago) - with never a moment's privacy. There's nothing more boring than a group of men showering together, even if they're good looking and in excellent physical shape.

[cboy4]

19. I'm not sure I completely understand you point.....

Are you saying it's ridiculous straight soldiers SHOULD be worried about potentially being checked out in the shower by gay soldiers

OR

Are you disputing my argument that straight soldiers ARE afraid of that happening, thus gay people should not be allowed to enlist??

edit word left out

[Gildor Inglorion]

23. I meant what that silly soldier said...

they aren't nearly as appealing as they think they are. The gay soldiers are in much greater danger of being bashed by their straight comrades than the straight ones are of being ogled by the gays.

[cboy4]

24. Oh, gotcha....funny! :)

n/t

[Staph]

15. As a straight woman with gay friends,

I've thought about this for quite a while. Most little girls learn early to not put themselves into potentially dangerous situations -- don't go out alone after dark, don't dress too revealingly (though that one's changing ;-( ), keep an eye on that strange man in case he turns out to be a mad rapist. We learn how to disarm with a smile, change the subject if it's too uncomfortable, use body language to say no. We are prey and we learn how to behave to survive.

Men aren't taught that sort of behavior. And the thought that some other man might view them as prey, as an "object", like a woman is an "object", is probably terrifying.

You'll notice that you never hear of a straight woman afraid of being propositioned by a lesbian. We learn how to graciously turn someone down along with our ABCs.

Now flame away. I'll duck!

[cboy4]

21. Naw.....it's not that....I think a lot of males who do not shower at the

gym......even after they're a sweaty mess......are afraid their penis is too small, and don't want other guys staring at them....even straight guys.

That's my theory for what it's worth!

[davidinalameda]

41. welcome to DU Staph!

I'm a WV native myself

[Lerkfish]

16. actually, no one should have to see me naked.That's a fate worse than

death. No one, men, women, animals.
I hate it in the men's locker room at the gym, but NOT because I'm homophobic. Heck, I'm straight, and I'd be flattered on the one hand if ANYONE found me attractive, but NOT NAKED. I've seen myself naked. Its no picnic.

:)

[cboy4]

22. O.K. That's fuckin hilarious Lerkfish!!

:rofl:

[Lerkfish]

25. :)

glad I could give you a laugh. If you saw me naked, you'd laugh harder.
You wouldn't BE harder, you'd just laugh harder.

:)

[cboy4]

26. You're killing me! HAHAHAHAHA

[swimmernsecretsea]

32. OH! That's hilarious!

Unfortunately, I have to warn you that having a great sense of humor overcomes a multitude of physical flaws—you've now entered The Hottie Zone...

[Lerkfish]

34. du da du du ...(twilight zone music)

Welcome to the Hottie Zone. Little did Lerfish know, at the beginning of his day, that cracking wise would propel him to heights of attractiveness previously reserved for Rock Hudson and Brad Pitt. Lerkfish looked in the mirror that morning. Yup, still naked. Still disgusting. Still knocking a bird over dead who happened by the window and peeked in. Poor bird. Poor Mirror. Poor Lerkfish's wife.
Walking down the street on the way to work, a small magical gnome tapped his shin.
"hey there, big fello. I have a propo...EGADS!" Quickly the tiny creature shielded his eyes. Normally, X-ray vision has been a great feature of being magical, until today.
"Good blarney-like substance, man! Looking at you naked is like pouring lava in my eyes! It burns! It burns!"
Lerkfish, embarrassed, "If I'da known I was going to be running across a magical creature, I would have dressed in lead underwear. As it turns out, my lead underwear is at the cleaners...again."
"Well, that's alright, you seem a nice sort..."The gnome grinned, a little. "We like self-deprecating humor here in the magic realm. Except for Pauli Shore. Nobody thinks he's funny."
Lerkfish laughed. "Well, I see the nonmagical realm is in agreement on THAT!".
The gnome brightened as he had an idea. "SAY! I know! I'll cast a spell to make you a HOTTIE! Irresistable! Sought after!"
Lerkfish mentally pictured being swamped by Angelina Jolie, being smothered with kisses. and other things.
"OK! sounds great!"
the Gnome concentrated and waved his arm in a quasi-magical way.
Suddenly, Lerkfish was grabbed from behind and was being smothered with kisses. He thought he heard:
"I think you look FABULOUS naked! here, here's a deal-a-meal card. You've earned it, big boy!"
Lerkfish opened his eyes and saw Richard Simmons smiling at him adoringly.
"Oh well," Lerkfish shrugged. "I'm being chased by a celebrity. That's better than yesterday."

[swimmernsecretsea]

17. I read somewhere that it's quite common...

and even considered normal unconscious behavior for males to do this. It's cited in the popular psychology book "Manwatching: A field guide to human behavior" (yes, I know what the title sounds like) by Desmond Morris (link: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0810913100/sr=8-1/qid=1142977094/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-7068357-4869457?%5Fencoding=UTF8). It's more of a power play; men would prefer to feel they are in control rather than possibly be the subject of an unwanted advance. It might do a lot of men good to understand what it feels like. They'd be more sympathetic toward women in the military who undergo sometimes daily sexual harrassment.

[savemefromdumbya]

20. Tha soldier is probably gay himself

I find those who do the homophobe thing are usually closet queens

[Puglover]

38. either that or he has a dick

the size of my cats.

[UncleSepp]

43. Both cats?

Would that mean he's got a pussy? (sorry, silly mood, bad mental image of a guy in a shower with a wet cat in his crotch)

[begin_within]

44. Here's something a straight friend of mine wrote in a letter once...

I have 2 friends who know each other, and one is straight (or claims to be) and the other is bisexual. The straight one is 46 and has never been married, while the bisexual one has been married twice and has no problem with anyone being straight or gay. The bi one wrote to me, letting me know that as part of their regular correspondence, the bi one wrote to the straight one a long letter which happened to include, "Even if you are gay, I'll still be your friend." The bi one wrote to me that the straight one wrote back to him saying, "Let me set the record straight (underlined that word) once and for all. I am not a dick sucking, butt fucking, hairy bun groping, sperm burping, cock breath blowers cramp skin flute playing hairy bag pipe blowing fucking faggot. Comprende you fucking wetback. Let's move on pal." I have never told the straight guy I found out he wrote that, and I never will. But I still keep that letter around for a laugh once and a while.

[Meldread]

27. I'll never understand the straight male psyche.

Why is it that most straight men seem to think, that all gay men if they see them naked, will suddenly want to have sex with them? I find this odd and strange, and it seems to be a wide spread thing in heterosexual males, even the dog ugly ones that no self-respecting homo would touch with a ten foot pole, let alone their penis.

Will a gay guy probably see you naked? Yeah, he would. That doesn't mean he's going to try and rape you (although it'd probably do a few straight guys some good to have their brains fucked out - it might actually loosen them up.) The fact of the matter is, straight guys are looking at other guys as well. It's kinda hard not to when you are taking a shower with other people, unless of course you want to institute a rule where everyone must either shower with their eyes closed or staring directly at the floor. Better yet, you can't trust everyone - everyone must undress, shower and reclothe themselves completely blindfolded.

The fact of the matter is this: Once you've seen three or four penises you've pretty much seen them all. Some are short, some are long, some are fat, some are skinny, some are cut, some are uncut, some are showers and some are growers... and while I'm sure every guy is attached to their own penis (literally - one hopes), it doesn't necessarily make it special to anyone else.

If, in fact, a gay male were attracted to a straight male I don't see why he would get angry. Attraction is a sincere form of flattery, and if you tell said gay male that you were straight and weren't interested, if he has any sense in his head he should accept it and move on. If he tried to harass you, then sure - being a little harsher might be in order. If a woman were to be attracted to me I'd treat it the same way, and if a straight male were attracted to a lesbian she should treat it the same way as well.

The whole "shower" thing just reeks of insecurity on the straight males part. It leads me to believe that they are afraid that they might like the attention, and if they like it... well then that'd seriously screw with their head. It'd almost be funny if it wasn't so pathetically sad.

[dsc]

28. I remember debating this in college with

a homophobe in my religion and politics class. He went on and on about how gays only are interested in sex and would rape people in showers. So I asked him how many people were in his gym class in highschool (he said 25) and he had to take it for four years so we added 10 per year (to account for overlapping). Thus 55 men had seen him naked and not raped him. Then I did a little calculation. The probability all 55 of those men were straight was .9^55 which is .003043252722170453708637199325153. In other words the probability that at least one gay male had seen him naked and refrained from raping him was .997. (1 - the other figure). I said either he was unusually ugly, unusually lucky, or simply wrong about gays.

[kweerwolf]

29. Military training must not be what it used to be.

I thought the military taught self-defense and hand-to-hand combat, but apparently not if a bunch of straight guys are all worried about not being able to fend off the amorous advances of an admittedly out-numbered minority of horny homos in the shower. No wonder we got our butts kicked every time we've been to war since World War II! (Well, except for Reagan's invasion of Grenada ... but that was just a tiny island easily overran by our apparently under-trained military.)

[Kerrytravelers]

31. I can not imagine being so insecure with myself. These gay-haters

are the most insecure morans on the planet.

[begin_within]

33. The truly straight ones could care less if guys are looking at them.

[cboy4]

37. Yea, it's really strange!!

It cracks me up that some of these straight men have no trouble stripping down to do photo shoots for Playgirl.

Do they not know that a good percentage of photographers are gay anyway?? :freak:

[begin_within]

40. Not to mention the readers...

[Puglover]

35. Years ago a couple of straight guys from my office

went to The Gay 90's a local gay bar with their wives to see the drag show. They came into the office on Monday telling people how they had been groped by all the men in the bar.

Now in Minneapolis you can be the hottest thing on two legs and unless you are willing to walkup and initiate a conversation with someone you will never meet anyone. Must be the cool Norwiegan blood up here.

I went up to these assholes and said "Ya know I have been to the 90's a thousand times and never once has anyone laid a hand on me (unasked). And the fact that you both have beer bellies the size of Texas would indicate to me that you're making this shit up. We gays do have our standards." Mean I know but the assholes deserved it.

They sputtered some nonsense and went and sat down and that was the last I ever heard about the gropy homosexuals.

:eyes: How fuckin pathetic.

[cboy4]

36. He He He ;)

Yes, fuckin pathetic!

Good story.

[Lerkfish]

39. yeah, now see I really don't understand that at all.

:shrug:
Why go to the show, with their wives, and then brag about being groped? Are they wanting to sound as if they are attractIVE but not attractED to gay people? I don't get it.

homophobia is a bizarre mystery to me. It never holds up to scrutiny.

"gay guys are gonna jump me in the shower!"
--"ok, so you don't think you could defend yourself against a rabid gay guy?"
"No, I'm a real man, I can defend myself."
--"ok, so are you afraid they'll do something or afraid you'll like it?"
"Queer!".

I just don't get the logic of it.

[Puglover]

42. Exactly, most of the straight men I know

get pissed if I tell them that I'm not attracted to them. "Sorry, but I really do require my dates to have at least touched a gym or treadmill within the last decade, and sans-a-belt pants are quite simply a deal killer for me." So while oh so tempting, no gratuitous blow job for you!

:evilgrin:


That is so mean but God forgive me I just love it.

[NMMNG]

46. They think it's ok for them to ogle the female soldiers

Make lewd remarks, come onto them and all that....

But Gawd forbid a gay man even look in their direction. :eyes:

[sui generis]

48. you know, most of them have NOTHING to worry about

it's usually the flabby turdblossom underwear acne ass ones that are the most worried that people will go into uncontrollable lust at the sight of their little mushroom and hairy back-beaver.

yawn. We shower in an open shower mixed gym every morning with straight guys and nobody (except newbies the first couple of days) even thinks twice about it.

Freaky little wusses - poor babies. Under DADT nobody's raped them. Gays are ALREADY in the military, dumbfucks.