How did our oppressors become victims?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

I am impressed at how fast the poor dear winner of prop8 have decided that they are the true victims. Quite impressive if you ask me. You gather all this money, you run a great add campaign, you show your big muscles to the world: YOU MOTHERFUCKING WIN. And now you are the victim?

We haven't hurt you. We haven't done anything wrong besides exercise our first amendment rights.

YOU decided you didn't need us when you donated against us.

How dare you get to whine? HOW FUCKING DARE YOU?




http://www.latimes.com/news/columnists/la-me-lopez14-2008dec14,0,1616624.column
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/editorials/la-ed-boycott10-2008dec10,0,2703213.story

& ofcourse Richard Raddon.

[terrya]

1. Gosh, you'd think their rights were taken away from them.

Oh wait...that was us.

Those people need to shut the fuck up about their stupid, whiny crap. They had their say 11/4. And now we're having our say.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

2. and the thing is they won. how winner decide to be victims, i cannot understand

[hobbit709]

3. Doncha know that critcising a fundie means you're "Persecuting" them

And if you're being "persecuted" then you are a victim. Of course, to these clowns that is a one-way street. They are free to persecute anyone that doesn't fall inline with their little worldview.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

5. its not just them. du'ers have been defending these poor weak oppressors as well. nt

[Chulanowa]

25. The way I've always approached it is this...

You can't qualify for "oppressed" if you make up a 78.9% majority of the country in which you live.

Also, I wonder. If Christians are being oppressed, why are o many lions going hungry every day? Motherfuckers want to be martyrs? Go to Kenya and douse yourself in steak sauce, assholes.

[Jamastiene]

29. Save the lions.

Well said.

[patrice]

4. When you're so weak internally that it is "necessary" to go around attacking Others, in order

to asuage your own doubts about yourself, you will ALWAYS be a victim of your own lying hypocrisy, thus necessitating ever more, and ever more violent Bullying even to the point of Terrorism.

[bluedawg12]

11. Blubbering Marge is dumb like a fox, she wants an influx of repig $$

that's why she's running around fanning the flames instead of putting them out.

[Heidi]

6. If this is the worst thing that ever happens to Margie Christoffersen,

she's a damn sight luckier than a lot of our GLBT brothers and sisters.

Her "I love them like everybody else" rings more than a little hollow. If she loved gay folks, she wouldn't have ponied up $100 toward an effort deny them their rights.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

7. agreed....

also its not the amount of money, which is what i call bullshit. some people only donated $10 to obamadid they love obama less than the ones who donate thousands? no. similarly the fact that she donated 100 to invalidate someone else marriage, is immaterial to me.

[Heidi]

8. I wouldn't give a penny to deny rights to someone I _hate_,

much less people I claim to love. Human rights are for _everyone_, regardless of how I feel about them personally. Ms. "I love them like everybody else" would do well to practice what she preaches.

[Deep13]

13. bingo nt

[mondo joe]

18. What she *loved* was gay customers buying Margaritas. Not the people.

That's my read on it.

[yardwork]

23. Would DUers care if someone only gave $100 to McCain-Palin?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

24. do you see that post where people are expressing their disappointment at biden

for getting a purebred puppymill dog?

remember how much they defended him when he said he does not believe in gay marriage.

i always love when dogs and cats have more defense here than i do

[bluedawg12]

28. Just visited there

and some of the ongoing comments are unreal .

ETA: I really enjoy the helpful strategy tips from concerned "friends." :grr:

[wroberts189]

27. EXACTLY n/t

[Ms. Toad]

30. Along the lines I was thinking...

Perhaps the minor discomfort she is feeling now will give her just the slightest hint of what it feels like to be gay:

to be locked out of the home you shared with your spouse of decades when you returned from his or her funeral because a distant aunt had more rights to his or her belongings than you do

to watch your spouse's body be trussed up and buried when you know s/he wanted every bit of use wrung out of it and whatever was left cremated and scattered on the spot where you met,

to hear those taunts - or see those fists or worse come flying at you merely because of who you are.

Maybe next time, she will think about what really loving someone means.

[Bluenorthwest]

9. And of course...

their so called 'faith' actually teaches that one should rejoice when oppressed for righteousness sake. But they don't rejoice at all, do they? That is because they are not righteous. And they know it.
She whines because her true God, money, is now in danger of vanishing from her easy, inherited life.

[patrice]

17. Bingo!!! Shine the light on Hypocrisy.

Smart too, because this shows others which Values you take seriously, which is useful because they, then, can step up for those SHARED values too. And the fact is that most of the "moral" leadership of this country values MONEY more than PEOPLE and we MUST call them out about this.

[bluedawg12]

10. They're playing at martyr to mobilize the repigs in California to $upport them

that's what the whole game is all about now.

[Deep13]

12. Voters and contributors need to take responsibility for their actions.

These people who support horrible public policies and then shrug off the predictible results with an "oh well" as if they didn't have anything to do with it. Perhaps the Mormon church would be in a better position to complain about religious intolerance if that religion were not the basis of depriving others of their rights.

Promises to tell the truth about ones support for bigotry and to decline to support businesses that support bigotry is not "intimidation." Asking what if the situation were reversed and what if businesses were boycotted because of pro-gay activity is a disengenuous attempt to change the subject. It assumes all political activity is equally valid and equally good. It is not. The facts and the basic morality of the issue are on our side. The other side is simply wrong and has no basis in reality. Since the writer is asking "what if?" what if the owner of a business donated $100 to a white supremicist group? Would there be talk of him exercising his political right to oppress racial minorities? I doubt it. We would have no problem concluding that we are write and the white supremist is wrong. This is the same situtation.

So, to those who whine about being publicly identified as bigots: you made your own bed. Now lay in it.

[mondo joe]

14. It's a religious tactic frequently used. See pie:

[La Lioness Priyanka]

15. ...

:loveya:

[bluedawg12]

16. Two in particular play the "persecution" card to the hilt.

Mor*ons and Catholics.

And those two in particular play the secular political anti-gay rights game with deliberate and incessant vengeance.

[TechBear_Seattle]

19. You answered your own question

"We haven't done anything wrong besides exercise our first amendment rights."

Bingo. We have spoken out against their religious-based hate. That makes us the oppressors.

[WhollyHeretic]

20. People are infringing on their right to be bigots and destroy lives.

[Fearless]

21. Well when you start losing after being spoiled for soooo long...

You whine to mommy and daddy and anyone else who will hear. In short, they're four year olds in an adult world.

[yardwork]

22. You're expecting logic from an illogical bunch.

If they were rational they wouldn't care about other people's sexuality in the first place.

[Meeker Morgan]

26. That they are "victims" is in fact a doctrine of their religion.

Persecution confers authenticity because Jesus said so or at least they understand it that way.