Digestive Wellness, now this is science.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

It is a book though I dare not mention it. It is a blessing and it can almost be free or largely inexpensive. It determines many other aspects of wellness including at times psychological wellness but there are those would would listen to the voices and disagree.

If cared for in the manner in which it should be it could knock down healthcare costs and promote a quality of life some have long given up on. Essentially in a thinly veiled manner, I am pointing out the fact that these items may be effective and they don't come from Squibb, Bayer, Wyeth Ayerest, or any of the other producers of synthetic health products.


http://www.journaloforalmicrobiology.net/index.php/jom/article/view/1949/2256
Current applications of probiotics and prebiotics

>>Most of the applications and research into the mechanisms of action of probiotics and prebiotics concentrate on their roles in influencing intestinal health and function. Although some of the experimental evidence and data from clinical trials is conflicting, there is growing evidence for their efficacy in protecting against acute diarrhoeal disease in children, gastroenteritis and antibiotic-associated diarrhoea, inflammatory bowel diseases and pouchitis (6, 7, 10, 12) .<<

>>Probiotics and prebiotics

There is a long tradition, particularly in parts of Europe and Asia, of ingesting microbes or food products that affect the intestinal microbiota in ways that are believed to provide beneficial health effects, i.e. intake of probiotics and prebiotics. Probiotics are defined as viable micro-organisms that confer health benefit when administered in sufficient doses (6) . The organisms that have been used as probiotics are primarily certain species of lactobacilli and bifidobacteria, and Saccharomyces spp., but some streptococci, enterococci and commensal Escherichia coli have also been claimed to have beneficial effects in certain situations (1, 6, 13, 14) . Prebiotics (e.g. inulin-type fructans, maltodextrin, fructooligosaccharides and galactooligosaccharides) have been defined as non-digestible oligosaccharides that affect the proliferation of resident commensal bacteria that may then exert probiotic effects (15) .<<

>>There has been a paradigm shift away from treating dental diseases by targeting specific oral pathogens towards an ecological and microbial community-based approach to understand conditions, such as caries and periodontal diseases 4,5). These approaches recognise the importance of maintaining the natural balance of the resident oral microbiota and the need to carefully modulate host immune responses to the microflora at a site.

One approach that has gained interest over recent years is the use of probiotic bacteria for oral applications. The rationale for their use in oral health care stems from the increase in evidence that supports their claims for benefit for a range of diseases, especially in the gastrointestinal tract (6–12) . In this article, we will review the data on the use of probiotics for oral care or disease prevention, and discuss some of the issues that arise from their use, as well as identify questions that still need to be answered.<<

[MineralMan]

1. You can mention books. You don't have to skirt the issue

with sly, sarcastic references to moderation here on DU. You can even talk about supplements. The only objection people have to some of your posts is the use of direct links to specific suppliers of supplements, etc. Discussing such issues using facts and information is perfectly fine with everyone. It's the advertising in posts for specific companies, specific products, etc. that causes a problem.

What you posted in this post is fine, and represents actual medical research, not hyperbole about particular brands of supplements. Indeed, unlike some links to journals, this one displays the entire article, which is very good, for those who can understand the science behind it. It stands on its own, and is useful information. The paragraphs leading to your link and excerpts, however, have nothing to do with the research report at all. Instead they just complain in a semi-disguised way about moderation here at DU.

I encourage you to post more links to scientific research, as reported in respected journals. They don't always say what you think they do, but they're very useful information and have nothing to do with touting particular nutriceutical vendors. They also don't need sarcastic introductions that have nothing to do with the content of the journal article.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

2. 10/4 driver... I got your back and will behave accordingly.... I so do want people to find answers

where they have been told there are none.... especially those who suffer from gi issues and I know for a fact that some of them are facing surgery, cholostomies (sp), steroids, and so forth when perhaps a simpler and safer/saner way may exist. They nearly took out my mother's kidneys a couple of years ago with their "medications". So that's two family members who did not have the best of experience with non-alternative medicine.


Ok.... here is a book I mentioned, and although I understand why it was locked, I am still torn up about it and losing sleep. I kid.

I would mention Elizabeth Lipski's book on digestive wellness but I don't want to get anything locked.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=222x111070

[MineralMan]

3. Individual stories are evidence of nothing.

Millions of people are treated and recover from diseases that might have killed them through modern medicine. Some people, no doubt, are also helped in their search for good health by supplements and alternative treatments. The two are not mutually exclusive. Many physicians also recommend nutritional supplements of various kinds. That some do not, and that some people have negative outcomes connected with medical care do not mean that all medical care is bad. That some people avoid medical care and attempt to heal themselves with alternative treatments does not mean that is the best choice.

Each individual is different and has different health issues. Each health issue needs to be handled individually. There are no magical treatments that are suitable for all people. Modern medicine saves lives far more often than it creates problems.

[MineralMan]

4. I'll mention it for you. It's available on Amazon or from

your local bookseller. Here's an Amazon page with all of Elizabeth Lipski's books:

http://www.amazon.com/Elizabeth-Lipski/e/B000APGJVE

Your posts won't get locked for anything like that. It is not mentioning or recommending a book that gets posts locked. It is what surrounds that mention or recommendation. DU is very easy to work with. If you want to recommend a book, go right ahead, and nobody will mind. People do that all the time. If you combine that mention or recommendation with advertising hype, though, and direct people to a particular site that also sells and hypes other products, you get into more delicate areas that can get posts locked.

If your goal is to inform people, that's easy. Nobody minds being informed. It is advertising spam that people mind.

[SecularMotion]

5. Correction

"The only objection SOME people have to some of your posts is the use of direct links to specific suppliers of supplements, etc."

The "some people" being the anti-supplement crowd on DU.

I appreciate reading all information on health-related issues and I will make the judgement about the sources on my own.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

6. Wow.... just wow.... tell me now, do you like my new and improved

100% natural sig line? It is light and pithy with just a twist of irony. Thanks for the input however in this case I believe MM is correct. What ticks me off is that the research on probiotics is basically proven, especially the exotic ones that no one has ever heard of such as "G*****n ** L**e. I get all crazy when I hear that a simple inexpensive fix saved someone a body part. Call me krazy.

[MineralMan]

7. What anti-supplement crowd?

If you think I'm anti-supplement, I'm not. I take supplements, myself, as recommended by my physician. It is not that some DUers are "anti-supplement." Some DUers are anti-hype, and oppose attempts to direct people away from medical care by physicians and to equally commercialized alternative health care. Supplements have a real place in overall health care, and that place is recognized and researched by the medical community.

I am anti-hype. I am for a balanced health attitude, which takes advantage of all aspects of scientific research into health issues. I'm not for commercialized hype of any kind, whether it comes from pharmaceutical companies or nutriceutical companies. I deplore both the direct advertising of new pharmaceutical drugs to patients and the unsupported claims made by many supplement companies. Both are completely profit-driven, rather that driven by a genuine desire to help people keep and regain robust good health.

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