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groovedaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 12:39 PM
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Billions Wasted on Billing
LAST year I had to have a minor biopsy. Every time I went in for an appointment, I had to fill out a form requiring my name, address, insurance information, emergency contact person, vaccination history, previous surgical history and current medical problems, medications and allergies. I must have done it four times in just three days. Then, after my procedure, I received bills — and, even more annoying, statements of charges that said they weren’t bills — almost daily, from the hospital, the surgeon, the primary care doctor, the insurance company.

Imagine that repeated millions of times daily and you have one of the biggest money wasters in our health care system. Administration accounts for roughly 14 percent of what the United States spends on health care, or about $360 billion per year. About half of all administrative costs — $163 billion in 2009 — are borne by Medicare, Medicaid and insurance companies. The other half pays for the legions employed by doctors and hospitals to fill out billing forms, keep records, apply for credentials and perform the myriad other administrative functions associated with health care.

The range of expert opinions on how much of this could be saved goes as high as $180 billion, or half of current expenditures. But a more conservative and reasonable estimate comes from David Cutler, an economist at Harvard, who calculates that for the whole system — for insurers as well as doctors and hospitals — electronic billing and credentialing could save $32 billion a year. And United Health comes to a similar estimate, with 20 percent of savings going to the government, 50 percent to physicians and hospitals and 30 percent to insurers. For health care cuts to matter, they have to be above 1 percent of total costs, or $26 billion a year, and this conservative estimate certainly meets that threshold.

How do we get to these savings? First, electronic health records would eliminate the need to fill out the same forms over and over. An electronic credentialing system shared by all hospitals, insurance companies, Medicare, Medicaid, state licensing boards and other government agencies, like the Drug Enforcement Administration, could reduce much of the paperwork doctors are responsible for that patients never see. Requiring all parties to use electronic health records and an online system for physician credentialing would reduce frustration and save billions.

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/12/billions-wasted-on-billing/?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=tha212
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 12:42 PM
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1. I just throw those bills in the pile marked "CS"
Chicken shit.

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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 12:44 PM
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2. SINGLE PAYER would eliminate MOST of the redundant paperwork, and allow our doctors offices to spend
a lot more time dealing with PATIENTS than insurance companies. Kill the parasites
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gblady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 12:46 PM
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3. AMEN...totally agree
kill the parasites!
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 12:49 PM
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4. +2 nt
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daleanime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 01:06 PM
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6. There you go...
making sense and stuff again.:fistbump:
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 01:23 PM
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7. A Dr would be able to hire another Dr and more nurses as staff,
which would help to eliminate the backed up waiting rooms perhaps? A Dr could easily create electronic records to keep for a patient since everyone in the medical care field could run access the records on one patient from one source. Perhaps the way to access the records could be a blood test... At the same time your finger is pricked and is measuring the normal blood pricking necessities, the computer device would also be accessing a patients files.... or thru a urine sample... a way in which if one is passed out on a gurney from an accident, an EMT in the field could bring up the preliminary records on a patient in the field.. such as name and any allergies or medications or medical conditions that a patient has while lying near death in the st from a car accident.

It would need to be a different way of identifying people as patients so that not everyone in the medical field would or could know all of one's information (such as a person's social security number). And if everyone was tied to a single payer healthcare plan, a person wouldn't have to worry about insurance companies collecting all of one's medical issues for a denial of claims. And there could be a level of security allowed for each professional and how much info they are privy to about you. Most people wouldn't need to know your address and phone number and where you work. Only an administrative person or a cop would need that info for contacting family in case of emergency. A nurse wouldn't have to have all the particulars that a surgeon would need to know or need access to x-ray scans or MRI's, their log in code for their job would pull up only pertinent info that was needed by the professional doing the job at their level of care.

Allowing Nurse's and Dr's to essentially walk around with a tablet from patient to patient would be wonderful... If a person is in the hospital for care, a scan code and person's name at the patients side of the bed would be all that would be needed for the Dr. or Nurse to come by for scanning. All the scrips that were prescribed on the wing of a hospital could be computerized and timed for pharmacy print hand out, and nurse staff would have less issues with dispensing medication or having to read chicken scratch handwriting in a hurry.

I believe more people would be ok with the idea of computerized health care records and scanning devices, if we did have a medicare for all system where care cannot be denied by a scummy for-profit health insurance company and if the health industry didn't access everyone in a similar manner as banks and financial institutes do......so that type of info could not be stolen by the many levels of care one will need over a lifetime, from birth, to shots, to teeth cleanings/ cavities, eye glasses, broken leg, gall bladder surgery..... etc.... A simpler system for modern times.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 03:29 PM
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12. Heath care card
I've seen one idea floated that you could carry a card and on it would be encoded your medical history. But with centralized medical records, perhaps the card could be encoded with permissions to your medical records. That way, they are secure and seen only by the providers who need the info.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 03:04 PM
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11. +3
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 12:57 PM
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5. I was listening this morning to a piece on the VA computerized medical systems, and..
when I got to the clinic to have some blood taken, the computers were down and nothing was happening.

Be that as it may, though, when the system is working, as it usually does, it is amazing. I give them my name and the last four of my SS number and everything important about me pops up no matter what clinic or lab I'm in. NO forms to fill out and no bullshit paperwork. Even prescriptions are automatically filled when I call and every doctor can see the list of my scrips.

They say they have any privacy concerns worked out, and I have no reason to doubt that. But who knows, really...

It would be tricky to duplicate such a system where so many independent parties would need to dig into the records and still maintain privacy, but the VA system would be a great model if they could get past that.

Until that, universal claim forms would help a lot-- every care provider has to deal with dozens of forms for each insurer.

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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 01:28 PM
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8. The VA is a great way to test different systems, since its the only
Govt run, Govt administered health care we have in this country. If anyone is to guinea pig a test system for the country to emulate, than the VA is a great place to do it. I only wish though, they wouldn't outsource this. I wish the Govt would hire its own tech teams and have its own servers and would house the codes and info that they hold on people... Outsourced pieces and parts all over the world about people's medical info is one of those things that should remain in house and not corporatized. They would be selling secrets and data mining on the info without a doubt.
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groovedaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 01:31 PM
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9. There should be some kind of back up system in the event of down time. n.t
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johnd83 Donating Member (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 02:10 PM
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10. I have known a lot of doctors that have given up on insurance because of the paperwor
Also the companies constantly fight the doctors over the cost. It is an insane system that spends most of our health care money on bureaucrats.
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