New Study Shows Pre Born Children Cry in the Womb

[derby378]

Phil Magnan, Executive Director of Biblical Family Advocates is calling on all Americans to consider a recent study that has shown that the child in the womb exhibits very familiar human behaviors in the womb. The pre born child not only cries in the womb, but "even their bottom lip quivers." So said New Zealand Pediatrician Ed Mitchell who helped with the U.S. study.

The study revealed that the pre born child cries in the womb at 28 weeks.

"Every mother recognizes the very human trait of the 'little quivering lower lip of their child', that usually stirs up great care and sympathy for their child. This new study once again confirms the very personal face of a small child in the womb, that now is shown to be 'crying out'. When will America truly listen to the 'crying out' of a child being aborted? I know that late term abortions are performed by delivering the child 'feet first' so that you will not hear their screams of pain," says Phil Magnan Executive Director of BFA.

Please Note: The source appears to be a blatantly politico-religious magazine, but here's the link:

http://www.dakotavoice.com/200508/20050829_1.asp

And here's the link to the BMJ article cited:

http://fn.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/abstract/90/5/F415

[librechik]

1. this is response to news story the other day: fetuses don't feel pain

I guess they are crying over the cable bill.

Don't think this belongs in LBN--prepare to be moved my mods

[Shakespeare]

2. "pre-born" is rightwing code speak

The actual term is "fetus."

These people are shameless and full of shit. No offense to the OP, but this REALLY doesn't belong in LBN.

[Straight Shooter]

12. Actually, the term reminds me of a "pre-owned" car. n/t

[sinkingfeeling]

3. 28 weeks is a 7 month-old fetus. That's the third trimester.

[AlienGirl]

14. Exactly--and at this stage, they are viable outside the womb

To compare a twenty-eight week fetus to a twelve-week fetus, or to an embryo (if it's under eight weeks old it's still an embryo, not a fetus yet) or a blastocyst, and to argue that because a twenty-eight-week-old fetus can cry a blastocyst deserves human rights, is disingenuous.

At twenty-eight weeks, the fetus is considered viable, and so abortions at that stage are exceedingly rare and almost always the result of anencephaly (a condition where there's no brain and the fetus will inevitably die after birth).

Tucker

[derby378]

4. Objections noted, but...

...it's important that you see how the "intelligent design" cretins are apparently misusing sound medical research to suit their own political agendas.

[napi21]

5. I MIGHT buy the quivering lip story, but not the crying!

Certainly, a realtively mature fetus can feel things. Where do you think the "smack the baby if it doesn't begin to cry right away" cam from?

It seems to me that a baby/fetus CAN'T cry inside the womb, because they CAN'T breathe!!!! If they would breathe before birth, they'd drownd!!!!

[Crunchy Frog]

8. They actually "breathe" amniotic fluid.

Their lungs go through the motions of inhaling and exhaling. There are substances in the fluid, late in pregnancy, that cause the lungs to mature. If, for some reason, they don't have that fluid, their lungs will not grow properly, and they will usually not be viable.

Not jumping into the debate here, just giving some info.:hi:

[Whoa_Nelly]

10. As the fetus develops, and even seen once born

the neurological development is ongoing with lip-quivering being one of the soft signs of that development. It has nothing to do with crying.

[Javaman]

6. I'd cry too, if I knew I was being born into morons* world.

[despairing optimist]

7. Right. If they're crying inside the womb, wait till they get out.

[sonicx]

9. the vast majoriy of abortions happen at 12 weeks or under

1% happen at 21 weeks or more (and most of those are needed medically).

nice try, fundies.

[CAcyclist]

11. Right - As Anyone Who Can Read An Ultrasound Can Tell You

Cause the resolution on today's ultrasound machines are so good you can see something like this.
:sarcasm:

[WildClarySage]

16. Actually, the new 3- and 4D ultrasounds can detect these kinds

of movements. They're pretty amazing. Doesn't mean anything either way. 'Crying' isn't necessarily the only explanation of the movements, but it's certainly the one that tugs the heartstrings and makes the anti-choice crowd weep and beat their breasts.

[Dissenting_Prole]

13. Yeah? They shit in the womb too. So what?!

n/t

[Southpaw Bookworm]

15. Good point.

But defecation doesn't tug the heart strings and provide that emotional mind-fuck like a crying "pre-born child."