MMR doctor Andrew Wakefield fixed data on autism

[laconicsax]

from http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article5683671.ece

THE doctor who sparked the scare over the safety of the MMR vaccine for children changed and misreported results in his research, creating the appearance of a possible link with autism, a Sunday Times investigation has found.

Thoughts?

[Posteritatis]

1. Golly gee whiz, aren't I astonished

:sarcasm:

Of course, I wouldn't be surprised to see people claiming his doctoring data was merely correcting reality's lies.

[Liberal Veteran]

2. Well, now. This should prove interesting.

Won't really do anything about the anti-vaxxer contingent.

It's a crusade for them and critical thinking is rarely the hallmark of the zealot.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

3. I don't think it's the vaccine, I think it's the mercury.

Mercury is NEVER good for anybody in any form whatsoever.

The EPA says it's the most toxic element that is non-radioactive. And it's not magically safe in your mouth, either.

Why is that so hard to understand?


:banghead:

[laconicsax]

4. There's no mercury in the MMR vaccine, in fact there's no mercury most vaccines.

[Warpy]

14. There has never been any mercury in the MMR vaccine in the US

and mercury has been removed from all other mandatory childhood vaccines.

However, there has been no drop in the rate of new autism cases.

If the epidemiologists hadn't already disproven Wakefield's claims, wasting time and effort to do so since he faked his data, the fact that removing the offending element did nothing to stop the condition does.

Autism is a birth defect. Parents who vaccinate their kids aren't doing anything wrong. They're protecting their children from diseases that can kill.

[LeftishBrit]

17. These are two separate vaccine debates

Wakefield was not talking about mercury; in fact the MMR has never contained mercury. He was blaming the vaccine itself.

Mercury in vaccines is a separate issue. Mercury has been taken out of most vaccines and autism rates haven't declined, so it doesn't seem to be a cause of autism. However, I do agree that 'Mercury is NEVER good for anybody in any form whatsoever' so it was a good thing that it was taken out of vaccines. There is, however, much more mercury ingestion from food, especially fish, than vaccines, and this doesn't seem to get nearly as much attention as the vaccine issue.

At any rate, mercury wasn't Wakefield's concern.

[varkam]

5. Andrew Wakefield made shit up? Perish the thought.

I can already hear the refrains of the anti-vaxxers: "Now the M$M is in on teh conspiracee! They don't want the troof to come out!!!11!"

[uppityperson]

13. Now the M$M is in on teh conspiracee! They don't want the troof to come out!!!11!

:sarcasm:

[Orrex]

6. Keith Emerson is a much better keyboardist

Six Wives of Henry the VIII my ass, you pretentious hack.

[cosmik debris]

7. I don't know why he bothered.

Most of his followers would have believed him even without data.

[Posteritatis]

8. Which came first, though?

Wakefield's BS, or the rest of the anti-vaccination folks' BS as a whole?

I seem to remember some particularly ridiculous anti-vax claims (my 'favorite' being the one that the horrible emotional trauma of being omg stabbed made kids autistic), but most of it seems to be later than - and referring to - Wakefield's stuff.

[cosmik debris]

9. The people who believed him were looking for hope, not facts.

They were unable to separate their emotional needs from their need for truth.

At least that's my opinion.

[mzmolly]

10. Wakefield denies wrong doing. Additionally,

the Times report seems to contradict itself?

In most of the 12 cases, the children’s ailments as described in The Lancet were different from their hospital and GP records.

The article goes on to state ...

in many of the cases medical concerns had been raised before the children were vaccinated.

What "concerns" had been raised prior to vaccination if there were no prior like, ailments on the record?

I think we need to make up our minds? Either Wakefield's report lacked evidence or the evidence was manufactured.

I will await the verdict in the pending court case before believing that Wakefield and his colleagues, schemed to mislead the world on the MMR vaccine.

[varkam]

11. The Times doesn't say that there were no ailments on record.

Seems like you're stretching.

[Why Syzygy]

12. Additionally,

a newspaper investigation bears no resemblance to a scientific study.
A search for Andrew Wakefield on the GMC site turned up nothing so far.
http://www.gmc-uk.org/

[varkam]

15. We're interested in science, now?

Can you give me a single study that replicated Wakefield's results (I mean, one that wasn't done by Wakefield, himself)?

[Why Syzygy]

16. eh?

Make sure you don't have me confused with someone else, as has happened twice in the last couple of days in this forum. Science and Composition have been my most favorite subjects since I was a wee one. The point was, this is a newspaper investigation. I'm not defending anything other than the opportunity for the allegations to follow the normal course of discovery and determination that doctors must follow.

[varkam]

18. What I'm saying is where there's smoke...

there's probably a doctor lying his ass off.

[HuckleB]

19. I thought he had been debunked years ago.

Was I just imagining things?

[HuckleB]

20. This story has twists and turns all over the place. Sort of.

"Twist One."

The witch-hunt against Andrew Wakefield --
http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/3346281/the-witchhunt-against-andrew-wakefield.thtml

"Twist Two."

MMR scare doctor: Wakefield earned £150 an hour from law firm that planned to sue vaccine's manufacturer --
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-548331/MMR-scare-doctor-Wakefield-earned-150-hour-law-firm-planned-sue-vaccines-manufacturer.html


But, at the end of the day, Wakefield had long been discredited:

Autism rises despite MMR ban in Japan --
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg18524895.300-autism-rises-despite-mmr-ban-in-japan.html

MMR Co-authors Publish Retraction --
http://www.immune.org.nz/site_resources/Professionals/MMR_retraction_-_approved_Mar_04.pdf

MMR vaccine: the continuing saga --
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1119452


One more, for good measure:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/lizhunt/4583540/The-MMR-scandal-is-back.html

[cureautismnow]

21. Japan and the MMR ban.

Interesting graph linked below. Why are ASD's declining between 1994 and 1995, when Japan banned the mmr in 1993?

"In 2005 a paper by two Japanese researchers, Hideo Honda and Yasuo Shimizu, was published in an English psychiatric journal with psychiatrist Professor Sir Michael Rutter also named as an author. The paper was claimed to be proof MMR vaccine could not cause autistic spectrum disorders. But the authors failed to provide the full picture. They made invalid claims. Those claims were based on inadequate research containing basic flaws.

When the flaws are identified and corrected, the paper provides what unusually strong evidence, not normally seen, implicating vaccines as a cause of Autistic Spectrum Disorders (ASD). The paper shows, when corrected with the missing data, Autistic Spectrum Disorder numbers increased and decreased in direct proportion to the total number of measles and MMR vaccines given to children.

We see here not just evidence of dechallenges and rechallenges on a population level but a "dose-response" relationship. This is conclusive evidence of a causal association. A dose-response relationship on a population level is rare if not unprecedented because the kind of close numerical correspondence seen here is not usually found."

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/clifford.g.miller/hondarutter.html

"The triple jab was banned in Japan in 1993 after 1.8 million children had been given two types of MMR and a record number developed non-viral meningitis and other adverse reactions.

Official figures show there were three deaths while eight children were left with permanent handicaps ranging from damaged hearing and blindness to loss of control of limbs.

The government reconsidered using MMR in 1999 but decided it was safer to keep the ban and continue using individual vaccines for measles, mumps and rubella....

The ministry switched to another MMR vaccine in October 1991 but the incidence was still high with one in 1,755 children affected. No separate record has been kept of claims involving autism.

Tests on the spinal fluid of 125 children affected were carried out to see if the vaccine had got into the children's nervous systems. They found one confirmed case and two further suspected cases.

In 1993, after a public outcry fuelled by worries over the flu vaccine, the government dropped the requirement for children to be vaccinated against measles or rubella."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-17509/Why-Japan-banned-MMR-vaccine.html

[HuckleB]

22. The Internet is a wonderful place.

If the author's claims are true, why wouldn't such a rebuttal get published? Or was that even attempted? I don't have time to read through every site one finds on the net. Thus, I do look to trusted sources. And I don't know jack about your source.

[cureautismnow]

24. Indeed.

He states, "Here is the data from the Terada and Honda/Rutter papers shown separately in the graphs, from the original papers as published." If he was a fraud, it would be quite easy to check those numbers in the original paper to verify.

BTW, was the study below peer-reviewed?

"Abnormal measles-mumps-rubella antibodies and CNS autoimmunity in children with autism.

Autoimmunity to the central nervous system (CNS), especially to myelin basic protein (MBP), may play a causal role in autism, a neurodevelopmental disorder. Because many autistic children harbor elevated levels of measles antibodies, we conducted a serological study of measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) and MBP autoantibodies. Using serum samples of 125 autistic children and 92 control children, antibodies were assayed by ELISA or immunoblotting methods. ELISA analysis showed a significant increase in the level of MMR antibodies in autistic children. Immunoblotting analysis revealed the presence of an unusual MMR antibody in 75 of 125 (60%) autistic sera but not in control sera. This antibody specifically detected a protein of 73-75 kD of MMR. This protein band, as analyzed with monoclonal antibodies, was immunopositive for measles hemagglutinin (HA) protein but not for measles nucleoprotein and rubella or mumps viral proteins. Thus the MMR antibody in autistic sera detected measles HA protein, which is unique to the measles subunit of the vaccine. Furthermore, over 90% of MMR antibody-positive autistic sera were also positive for MBP autoantibodies, suggesting a strong association between MMR and CNS autoimmunity in autism. Stemming from this evidence, we suggest that an inappropriate antibody response to MMR, specifically the measles component thereof, might be related to pathogenesis of autism. Copyright 2002 National Science Council, ROC and S. Karger AG, Basel"

J Biomed Sci. 2002 Jul-Aug;9(4):359-64.

...or this one?

"Elevated levels of measles antibodies in children with autism.

Virus-induced autoimmunity may play a causal role in autism. To examine the etiologic link of viruses in this brain disorder, we conducted a serologic study of measles virus, mumps virus, and rubella virus. Viral antibodies were measured by enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay in the serum of autistic children, normal children, and siblings of autistic children. The level of measles antibody, but not mumps or rubella antibodies, was significantly higher in autistic children as compared with normal children (P = 0.003) or siblings of autistic children (P <or= 0.0001). Furthermore, immunoblotting of measles vaccine virus revealed that the antibody was directed against a protein of approximately 74 kd molecular weight. The antibody to this antigen was found in 83% of autistic children but not in normal children or siblings of autistic children. Thus autistic children have a hyperimmune response to measles virus, which in the absence of a wild type of measles infection might be a sign of an abnormal immune reaction to the vaccine strain or virus reactivation."

Pediatr Neurol. 2003 Apr;28(4):292-4.

Perhaps, this one?

"The immunopathogenesis of autism is presented schematically in Fig. 1. Two main immune dysfunctions in autism are immune regulation involving pro-inflammatory cytokines and autoimmunity. Mercury and an infectious agent like the measles virus are currently two main candidate environmental triggers for immune dysfunction in autism. Genetically immune dysfunction in autism involves the MHC region, as this is an immunologic gene cluster whose gene products are Class I, II, and III molecules. Class I and II molecules are associated with antigen presentation. The antigen in virus infection initiated by the virus particle itself while the cytokine production and inflammatory mediators are due to the response to the putative antigen in question. The cell-mediated immunity is impaired as evidenced by low numbers of CD4 cells and a concomitant T-cell polarity with an imbalance of Th1/Th2 subsets toward Th2. Impaired humoral immunity on the other hand is evidenced by decreased IgA causing poor gut protection. Studies showing elevated brain specific antibodies in autism support an autoimmune mechanism. Viruses may initiate the process but the subsequent activation of cytokines is the damaging factor associated with autism. Virus specific antibodies associated with measles virus have been demonstrated in autistic subjects. Environmental exposure to mercury is believed to harm human health possibly through modulation of immune homeostasis. A mercury link with the immune system has been postulated due to the involvement of postnatal exposure to thimerosal, a preservative added in the MMR vaccines. The occupational hazard exposure to mercury causes edema in astrocytes and, at the molecular level, the CD95/Fas apoptotic signaling pathway is disrupted by Hg2+. Inflammatory mediators in autism usually involve activation of astrocytes and microglial cells. Proinflammatory chemokines (MCP-1 and TARC), and an anti-inflammatory and modulatory cytokine, TGF-beta1, are consistently elevated in autistic brains. In measles virus infection, it has been postulated that there is immune suppression by inhibiting T-cell proliferation and maturation and downregulation MHC class II expression. Cytokine alteration of TNF-alpha is increased in autistic populations. Toll-like-receptors are also involved in autistic development. High NO levels are associated with autism. Maternal antibodies may trigger autism as a mechanism of autoimmunity. MMR vaccination may increase risk for autism via an autoimmune mechanism in autism. MMR antibodies are significantly higher in autistic children as compared to normal children, supporting a role of MMR in autism. Autoantibodies (IgG isotype) to neuron-axon filament protein (NAFP) and glial fibrillary acidic protein (GFAP) are significantly increased in autistic patients (Singh et al., 1997). Increase in Th2 may explain the increased autoimmunity, such as the findings of antibodies to MBP and neuronal axonal filaments in the brain. There is further evidence that there are other participants in the autoimmune phenomenon. (Kozlovskaia et al., 2000). The possibility of its involvement in autism cannot be ruled out. Further investigations at immunological, cellular, molecular, and genetic levels will allow researchers to continue to unravel the immunopathogenic mechanisms' associated with autistic processes in the developing brain. This may open up new avenues for prevention and/or cure of this devastating neurodevelopmental disorder."

Int Rev Neurobiol. 2005;71:317-41.

[HuckleB]

35. It's easy to take bits and pieces from studies, and add them up to whatever you want them to do.

Your source is not putting himself up for peer review. He is offering conspiracies.

[cureautismnow]

40. The 3 studies I cited WERE peer-reviewed.

The bolded texts were not "bits and pieces." They were clearly contained within the summaries of their findings.

As for the Japanese ASD/MMR web site that disputed Honda and Rutter's conclusions, it appears his numbers were correct as the graph from another source previously posted in this thread confirms.

Speaking of Mr. Rutter, he worked for Glaxo, which he did not disclose in the Honda/Rutter ASD/MMR paper.

[HuckleB]

60. Try responding to the actual content of my post!

And not one of those studies actually backs up your claims.

Now, what did I say in my post again?

Come on, show some intellectual honesty.

[LeftishBrit]

37. Lucky old you, not to know 'jack' about the source! Wish I didn't!

The Daily (Hate-) Mail is our top-selling tabloid in the UK, and is like a sort of cross between the National Enquirer and Rush Limbaugh's talk-show. When not on some right-wing crusade, it publishes all sorts of sensationalism. It's even worse than the Murdoch press, IMO. One of the worst influences on British life and opinion, IMO. And yes, they've been the main media promoter of Wakefield and his theory, over here.

[HuckleB]

61. Got it.

Thanks for the information, though, yeah, part of me wishes I didn't know.

Cheers!

[cosmik debris]

23. That theory had its day in court.

"Congress designed the Program to compensate only the families of those individuals whose injuries or deaths can be linked causally, either by a Table Injury presumption or by a preponderance of causation-infact evidence, to a listed vaccination. In this case the evidence advanced by the petitioners has fallen far short of demonstrating such a link. Accordingly, I conclude that the petitioners in this case are not entitled to a Program award on Michelle’s behalf."



"Having carefully and fully considered the evidence, the undersigned concludes that the combination of the thimerosal-containing vaccines and the MMR vaccine are not causal factors in the development of autism and therefore, could not have contributed to the development of Yates’ autism. The weight of the presented evidence that is scientifically reliable and methodologically sound does not support petitioners’ claim. Petitioners have failed to establish entitlement to compensation under the Vaccine Act."



"Petitioners have not demonstrated by a preponderance of the evidence that Colten’s condition was either caused or significantly aggravated by his vaccinations Thus, they have failed to establish entitlement to compensation and the petition for compensation is therefore DENIED."

That theory lost BIG TIME.

Or, as the kids say, EPIC FAIL!

[cureautismnow]

25. Yes, Vaccine Court.

Hastings, Jr., Campbell-Smith, and Vowell were given the opportunity to convey their opinions.

In future civil trials, juries will be allowed to express their opinions.

[Acidhorse]

26. Measles

Measles

Measles is the first disease in human history to be almost wiped out by a vaccine that has the magical ability to improve the health of people >> before << it came into existence!

(UK Data)

1901 deaths = 9,019

1958 (ten years before Vaccine in the UK) deaths = 49.

That's a massive drop and pretty much should have put an end to the official story: "thousands died of measles but then a vaccine was introduced and all was well"

1968 Vaccine introduced

1978 (ten years after vaccine) deaths = 20

So the first ten years of the actual vaccine programme and the death rate plummets from 49 to 20.

And we're being generous here - we assume, without any evidence, that the fall from 49 to 20 must be because of the vaccine.


If this was alternative medicine such a small fall over 20 years might even be classed as the placebo effect.



49 to 20. Not quite as impressive as the often implied "thousands" to tens.


Without the measles vaccine, we might wonder if deaths from measles in 1978 would have been 10, 30 or 9000ish. Or maybe even a million.

49 deaths and falling in 1958. 10,000 deaths in 1978 and rising. Sound feasible? Not really.


It's more likely death from measles in the 1980s would have been almost exactly the same without the vaccine.


Two points worth noting:

In the 80s it was discovered people vaccinated against measles were not necessarily protected. So that's 20 odd years of people running around thinking they are protected when they were not.


In one medical journal that I can't be bothered to find right now it was stated that according to research in the 70s or 80s, Doctors couldn't tell the difference between measles and a range of other infections thus the number of measles cases was consistently over stated by as much as 97%.


So, from approx 1968 to 1988 you've got a vaccine introduced well after death rates had almost totally bottomed out, people vaccinated who aren't actually protected but just assume they are and misdiagnosis of symptoms on a massive scale bumping up the numbers of "infected" people.



Japans experience:
when Japan first introduced MMR, there were 34 deaths from measles; in 1990, there were 53 deaths; in 1991, 39; and in 1992, 14.
Then, in 1993, the Japanese government moved from recommending MMR to single vaccines instead. The number of deaths from measles per year has since remained at between 14 and 25.

[cureautismnow]

27. You're right on the money.

The graph below bears this out.



Welcome to DU! :hi:

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

39. So measles was almost eradicated before the vaccine?

the graph shows cases of measles drastically declined before the vaccine was
made available to the public?

Hmmmm

[SidDithers]

52. No,measles deaths were greatly reduced

not measles cases.

During 1958-1962, an average of 503,282 measles cases and 432 measles-associated deaths were reported each year

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwR/preview/mmwrhtml/00056803.htm

'Course, that's fromt the CDC, so you won't believe its accuracy.

Sid

[SidDithers]

56. So, you're only concerned about the people who die from measles?...

not the ~500,000 people in the US who contracted contracted the disease yearly before vaccinations?

Sid

[SidDithers]

51. Measles deaths have declined dramatically since 1910 ...

not measles cases. Measles cases didn't fall off until the introduction of the vaccine in 1963.

Now, can you answer the question "Why did mortality rates from measles improve so significantly beginning in the mid 1910's?"

Sid

[cosmik debris]

28. They conveyed more than opinions

They presented the best evidence available that MMR caused autism.

And it wasn't good enough.

The Special Master ruled that they had fallen far short, that they failed to meet the lowest standards for winning their case.

I know you would rather appeal to an emotional jury than an objective judge, but now, no matter how the jury rules, the appeal will be lost based on the Special Master's ruling.

It's over. You have reached a dead end. It is time to move on.

[cureautismnow]

29. Yawn.

:boring:

[cosmik debris]

30. Yep, it is time to put that tired old theory to bed. n/t

[cureautismnow]

31. Thanks. The potency of your opinions is so much stronger than melatonin.

Perhaps, it would be a profitable venture for you to market them as a safer alternative to general anesthesia.

[LeftishBrit]

36. What the Daily Mail (our tabloid answer to Rush Limbaugh's talk-show) is NOT saying...

is that yes indeed, Japan withdrew the MMR vaccine. And then it reintroduced it a few years later. There was NO decrease in autism rates during the period when the MMR was withdrawn.

And did I mention that the Daily Mail, which has been the main media supporter of Wakefield's theory in the UK, is a vile far-RW rag, which devotes itself to crusades against immigrants' gypsies; single parents and others who don't conform to 1950s morality; abortion; feminism; the 'PC' left; progressive education; etc. Some of its writers are deniers of global warming.

[cureautismnow]

38. When did Japan "reintroduce" the MMR?

And why did they pull it AGAIN and why, since WHO says it's not there now? There's an MR, but no MMR.

http://www.who.int/vaccines/globalsummary/immunization/ScheduleResult.cfm

Also, there WAS a drop in ASD rates from 1994 to 1995 after MMR was completely withdrawn in 1993.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

41. a drop in ASD rates from 1994 to 1995 after MMR was completely withdrawn in 1993?

awesome!

[cosmik debris]

43. As MMR vaccinations went down, ASD went UP

And you take that as evidence of what?

It looks to me like MMR vaccinations PREVENT ASD.

:rofl:

[cureautismnow]

44. MMR vaccinations AND measles vaccinations went up, ASD went UP

When mmr vaccinations AND measles vaccinations went down, ASD went down.

[cosmik debris]

45. Even that chart shows that MMR is not the cause

If it was the cause, when MMR stopped, ASD would have fallen as sharply.

The first chart showed that you are wrong.

Now a second chart shows that you are wrong.

Correlation does not equal causation. And when the correlation graph shows that one factor had a radical change and the other factor did not track that change, then even the correlation is bogus.

It is time to let it go and move on to finding the real cause of autism.

[cureautismnow]

46. ASD DID fall sharply from 1994 to 1995 after MMR was completely removed.

You can't deny the drop. In 1994, it was 161.3. In 1995, it was 115.3. That's about a 29% decrease in one year.

If mmr is so wonderful, then why was it pulled in 1993 in Japan and never returned? Answer - it harmed a lot of Japanese children.

[cosmik debris]

47. You are ignoring contradicting evidence.

If MMR had been the cause, when MMR went to zero, ASD would also go to zero. Instead, MMR went to zero and ASD continued to climb.

Correlation is not causation. And in this case, you haven't even shown correlation.

The evidence you present disproves your case.

It is time to let it go and move on to finding the real cause of autism. There is no point in continuing to waste money chasing a wild goose.

[cureautismnow]

48. I see you have trouble reading a graph.

ASD didn't "continue to climb" when MMR went to zero, it dropped about 29%. The drop indicates that the removal of MMR played a part in the decrease. It didn't go to zero because single jabs of measles vaccine were still being administered after mmr was removed. The TOTAL measles vaccinations decreased and so did ASD. Also, total measles vaccinations increased 150% between 1992 and 1993 leading to the sharp rise in ASD before the mmr was taken out of the equation.

It's time for you to stop arguing with parents and create vaccines that don't harm ANY kids. Quit wasting taxpayer dollars on propagandizing your defective, harmful, half-assed elixirs.

[cosmik debris]

49. Look again

In 1992 MMR vaccination was nearly ZERO. Yet ASD continued to climb. Same in 1993 and 1995. You only find a correlation in ONE year. The rest of the data proves that there is NO correlation

Get that? NO correlation. One data point does not make a trend. MMR could NOT be the cause of ASD represented by that graph.

And yet, you ignore the overwhelming evidence that you presented yourself!

Your own evidence proves that you are wrong.

[cureautismnow]

50. You ignore total measles vaccinations.

The TOTAL measles vaccinations increased (on the other graph), thus accounting for the increase in ASD in the early 1990s. When mmr was removed AND all measles vaccinations decreased, so did ASD.

Your failure to grasp the fact that ASD increased when total measles vaccinations increased and decreased when total measles vaccinations declined proves that you are wrong.

[cosmik debris]

53. So you admit that MMR is NOT responsible? n/t

[cureautismnow]

54. I admit that mmr and single jab measles vaccination is responsible. n/t

[cosmik debris]

55. Double talk

The graph shows that MMR went down and ASD went up.

The graph shows that there is no correlation with MMR vaccinations.

The graph shows that MMR vaccination can NOT be correlated with ASD.

What evidence do you have to implicate something that you have proved is not responsible. How can it be responsible and not responsible at the same time.

[cureautismnow]

57. That graph is just a part of the total picture.

This graph shows the total measles vaccinations given. The blue bars are total measles jabs.



When total measles vaccinations go up or down, ASD generally follows. If you can't see that, then that's just something you'll have to work out on your own.

[cosmik debris]

58. Your graph proves that MMR does NOT correlate with ASD

It proves that something other than MMR is the problem.

Every time one factor is eliminated, you come up with another. You are moving the goal posts so that no evidence will ever convince you. Your opinion is not based on the evidence available. When you come up with new evidence, let me know. Until then, you are just beating a dead horse. The case is closed. You lost.

[cureautismnow]

59. Zzzzzzz...

:boring:

[varkam]

63. So *that's* why you've been advancing that hypothesis.

You've been asleep the whole time!

Suddenly, it all makes sense.

[cureautismnow]

32. The other side of the coin.

"Sunday Times Journalist Made Up Wakefield MMR Data Fixing Allegation

The main Sunday Times’ allegation against Wakefield in itself does not ring true: that an already eminent gastroenterologist in a leading British center of excellence could falsify data in a peer refereed paper by 13 other highly qualified medical authors. And that the allegation is false becomes obvious from the facts already revealed in open hearings in the GMC and confirmed in a written statement issued 9th February by Dr Wakefield rebutting the false allegations from The Sunday Times:-

It is a matter of fact that I did not play any part whatsoever in making the microscopic diagnoses of inflammation on any biopsy from any child investigated at the Royal Free Hospital. Intestinal tissues were examined, and the children’s pathology documented, by two doctors (not me) employed in the Department of Histopathology who were experienced in bowel disease, using an agreed protocol to ensure rigor and consistency . These doctors were co-authors on the paper. The same tissues were reviewed by Professor Walker-Smith and his team. …. I did not “change” any findings as alleged. The paper was then reviewed by the relevant authors prior to submission to the Lancet in order to confirm that the diagnoses were correct. The findings reported in the Lancet are, in the opinion of the relevant authors, correct. This is a matter of record at the GMC.

Wakefield Responds to Sunday Times’ False Allegations"

http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2009/02/11/sunday-times-made-up-wakefield-mmr-data-fixing-allegation/

[cosmik debris]

33. ROFLMAO!

You have no evidence so you take pot-shots at your detractors.

If it wasn't so funny, it would be sad.

[beam me up scottie]

62. Next -wait for it-"Sunday Times Made up Journalist who Made Up Wakefield MMR Data Fixing Allegation"

:rofl:

[HuckleB]

34. How many of his fellows recanted?

[varkam]

42. Ten, I believe. eom

[xchrom]

64. kick

[xchrom]

65. why the anti-vaccine movement exists. nt

[varkam]

66. kick