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FM Arouet666 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-27-06 04:21 AM Original message |
Alternative medicine? |
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Ayesha (587 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-27-06 04:54 AM Response to Original message |
1. Somewhere in the middle |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-27-06 06:13 AM Response to Original message |
2. consumer choice |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-27-06 10:47 AM Response to Reply #2 |
8. The term "healthcare consumer" is a red herring |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-27-06 12:54 PM Response to Reply #8 |
20. There is no free market in pharmaceuticals |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-27-06 01:20 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. It's like arguing with a crazy Libertarian, but I repeat myself |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-27-06 01:37 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. collectivism vs. libertarianism |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-27-06 02:18 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Libraries |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-27-06 02:34 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. comment |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-27-06 02:42 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. Slippery slope is a fallacy |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-27-06 03:05 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. not trying to censor you |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-27-06 02:40 PM Response to Reply #8 |
29. Free-market |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-27-06 02:42 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. and it scares the hell out of me |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-27-06 02:54 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. I'll tell you what scares the hell out of me |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-27-06 03:04 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. WTF? |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-27-06 07:17 PM Response to Reply #33 |
48. just a reminder |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-27-06 07:59 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. I guess what it all comes down to is, who do you want to trust. |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-27-06 08:40 PM Response to Reply #50 |
58. You forgot C) |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-28-06 08:57 AM Response to Reply #58 |
64. I don't trust myself to know everything. |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-28-06 09:56 AM Response to Reply #64 |
66. Since when |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-28-06 10:07 AM Response to Reply #66 |
67. So as long as Bush is president, everyone in the government is evil, huh? |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-28-06 10:36 AM Response to Reply #67 |
69. Huh? |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-28-06 10:43 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. Hehe, yeah it's ridiculous alright. |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-28-06 10:53 AM Response to Reply #70 |
72. keep in mind |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-28-06 10:58 AM Response to Reply #72 |
73. You bet they disagree. |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-28-06 11:05 AM Response to Reply #73 |
75. not a red herring at all |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-28-06 11:10 AM Response to Reply #75 |
76. Here's the rub. |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-28-06 11:14 AM Response to Reply #76 |
77. that is the rub--I agree |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-28-06 11:50 AM Response to Reply #77 |
79. Let's not sidetrack this. |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-28-06 11:57 AM Response to Reply #79 |
80. Ritalin |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 11:01 AM Response to Reply #80 |
95. At that point, there is a serious question of diagnosis. |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-28-06 01:51 PM Response to Reply #75 |
86. "I think there are people here that would want to outlaw chiropractors" |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-28-06 03:12 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. more of the same |
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FM Arouet666 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-29-06 02:18 AM Response to Reply #2 |
90. I don't agree. |
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HysteryDiagnosis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-27-06 06:33 AM Response to Original message |
3. Memory enhancement?? I think it was vinpocetine, but now I |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-27-06 06:59 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Bastyr U. |
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HysteryDiagnosis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-27-06 07:05 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. In many instances, the need for medications has been greatly |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-27-06 10:52 AM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Citation, please |
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HysteryDiagnosis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-27-06 07:56 PM Response to Reply #9 |
49. Oh geez...... if you want the thread locked sure. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-27-06 08:12 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. 3 minutes of Internet research yields... |
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HysteryDiagnosis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-27-06 08:19 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Color you, uninformed.... and that's probably ok for now. n/t |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-27-06 08:23 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Sorry to shine a light of truth. |
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HysteryDiagnosis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-27-06 08:25 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. You couldn't be more wrong and that is probably ok at this point. n/t |
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HysteryDiagnosis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-27-06 08:32 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. Google stem cells glyconutrients, and then tell me if you would |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-28-06 08:54 AM Response to Reply #57 |
62. Did I bash the science behind "glyconutrients"? |
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HysteryDiagnosis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-28-06 07:06 PM Response to Reply #62 |
88. This company has rescued hospice patients, restored kidney |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-29-06 08:11 AM Response to Reply #88 |
92. Oh, so there are double-blind studies supporting all this? |
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RedOnce (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-27-06 10:00 AM Response to Original message |
6. Palcebo effect - "scientifically verified medicine" confirms it's power... |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-27-06 10:34 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. There's a reason for that. |
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RedOnce (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-27-06 11:17 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Well, Dr. Brown appears to disagree with this concept: |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-27-06 11:27 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Dr. Brown is being very careful with what he is saying. |
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RedOnce (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-27-06 11:53 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Ok, so let's cover alternative medicine with insurance, and require... |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-27-06 12:00 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. "require an allopathic screening prior..."??? |
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RedOnce (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-27-06 12:18 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Simple, get screened or the insurance doesn't pay... |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-27-06 12:39 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Insurance doesn't pay for them today, and people still use them. |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-27-06 12:11 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. An endorsement of "alternative healers" is an endorsement of hucksterism |
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RedOnce (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-27-06 12:40 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. See post #10. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-27-06 12:44 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. I call bullshit. |
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RedOnce (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-27-06 03:55 PM Response to Reply #19 |
36. As you accurately point out, alternative medicine is not regulated... |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-27-06 04:23 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. So in other words, you're using argument from ignorance. |
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RedOnce (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-27-06 05:01 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. I documented the allopathic side so, what's your assessment on the |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-27-06 05:02 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. See my post #40. |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-27-06 01:12 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. A placebo by any other name would smell as unethical |
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RedOnce (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-27-06 11:33 PM Response to Reply #22 |
60. Re: A placebo by any other name... |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-27-06 03:32 PM Response to Reply #18 |
35. By the way... |
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RedOnce (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-27-06 04:00 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. If 800,000/yr. were being killed by alternative medicine don't you think.. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-27-06 04:22 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Document your 800,000 claim. |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-27-06 01:07 PM Response to Reply #6 |
21. The placebo effect, like the miracle, is not anything to count on |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-27-06 01:29 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. that's right |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-27-06 02:37 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. Innovation |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-27-06 07:13 PM Response to Reply #28 |
47. Categorization |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-27-06 05:01 PM Response to Reply #6 |
40. The truth about "Death by Medicine" |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-27-06 05:08 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. Excellent excerpt! |
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RedOnce (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-27-06 05:25 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. OK, this and all studies can be criticized. Please provide a better study |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-27-06 06:47 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Why is it my job to do your research? |
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RedOnce (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-27-06 08:11 PM Response to Reply #46 |
51. I said "If 800,000..." Here are more studies for you to attack. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-27-06 08:20 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. Hey, those are much more reasonable. |
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RedOnce (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-27-06 09:19 PM Response to Reply #54 |
59. Great, I'm glad you approve of these! |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-28-06 08:56 AM Response to Reply #59 |
63. "The system is broken"? |
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RedOnce (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-28-06 09:50 AM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Yes, "Approach allopathic medicine cautiously while our system is broken.. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-28-06 10:10 AM Response to Reply #65 |
68. That isn't what I asked. Quit being dishonest. |
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RedOnce (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-28-06 10:50 AM Response to Reply #68 |
71. Dishonest? No, sorry. It was Warpy's quote that I had in mind... |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-28-06 10:59 AM Response to Reply #71 |
74. Once again, that's not my question. |
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RedOnce (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-28-06 11:20 AM Response to Reply #74 |
78. Your question is poorly framed. So let's break it down: |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-28-06 11:59 AM Response to Reply #78 |
81. It was framed in response to your stance, so of course it's poorly framed. |
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RedOnce (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-28-06 12:18 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. Touché! |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-28-06 01:50 PM Response to Reply #83 |
85. Then what exactly are you saying? |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-28-06 12:10 PM Response to Reply #65 |
82. Nice job of reading a headline and ignoring the rest |
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RedOnce (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-28-06 12:20 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. Yes, I agree. What did you think I was saying? |
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FM Arouet666 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-29-06 05:12 AM Response to Reply #40 |
91. Bingo |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-02-06 12:17 AM Response to Reply #40 |
101. The main references are top U.S. medical journals like JAMA |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-02-06 06:46 AM Response to Reply #101 |
105. References are funny things when used out of context. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-27-06 12:24 PM Response to Original message |
16. Fortunately, I'm an Atheist. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-27-06 06:43 PM Response to Original message |
45. I don't believe in much of anything. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-28-06 12:33 AM Response to Original message |
61. What a train wreck. |
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FM Arouet666 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-29-06 01:59 AM Response to Reply #61 |
89. Notice I didn't bother responding. |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-29-06 11:38 PM Response to Reply #61 |
93. In other words... |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-29-06 11:48 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. Nope. |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 11:04 AM Response to Reply #94 |
96. So what's with the meaningless cliches? |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 02:38 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. self delete |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-04-06 08:36 PM Response to Reply #96 |
107. I thought they'd annoy you. |
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FM Arouet666 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-13-06 02:57 AM Response to Reply #61 |
108. Perhaps it is time to sign off of DU |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 06:45 AM Response to Reply #108 |
114. I hope you're not leaving DU, Doc. |
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FM Arouet666 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-19-06 03:21 AM Response to Reply #114 |
115. I was getting close |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-19-06 07:20 AM Response to Reply #115 |
116. I highly recommend one of these, too. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-19-06 08:23 PM Response to Reply #116 |
117. Oooooooooooo! |
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FM Arouet666 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-20-06 02:42 AM Response to Reply #116 |
118. Your killing me ;) |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 10:57 PM Response to Original message |
98. Health is a matter of avoiding toxic exposures & getting good nutrition |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-31-06 10:22 AM Response to Reply #98 |
99. Are Detox Products Shams Or Do They Really Do What Their Promoters Say? |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-31-06 12:34 PM Response to Reply #99 |
100. Shams. Or was that a rhetorical quesion? |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-02-06 06:04 AM Response to Reply #100 |
104. At this point, it's quite rhetorical in nature. |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-02-06 12:35 AM Response to Reply #99 |
102. Detox works if you do it right; people with chronic conditions generally |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-02-06 06:03 AM Response to Reply #102 |
103. Where are these studies? |
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FM Arouet666 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-04-06 02:55 AM Response to Original message |
106. So there! |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-13-06 08:07 AM Response to Original message |
109. You're quite right |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-13-06 11:19 AM Response to Reply #109 |
110. This misses the point |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-13-06 12:06 PM Response to Reply #110 |
111. Ahh I see. I did miss the point. |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-13-06 12:12 PM Response to Reply #111 |
112. No problem--it's an easy distinction to blur |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-13-06 01:15 PM Response to Reply #112 |
113. As long as I'm here... |
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