when is it cool to smoke herb while breast feeding?

[mdmc]

is it ever safe to smoke pot while breastfeeding a baby? :shrug:

[Waya]

1. Don't think so.....

..but am no expert on the subject...

[Ian David]

2. Are you already stoned or just insane?

Or did Mom and Dad leave their computer un-locked?

[mdmc]

34. all three

[elehhhhna]

62. lol mao

[AlCzervik]

3. who the hell is doing that? Crist i didn't even take an advil when i was

nursing my daughter never mind smoke weed.

[DemonGoddess]

4. Everything you take in

while breastfeeding is processed and transmitted through to the infant. That's why you're not supposed to smoke cigarettes, drink alcohol, etc while breastfeeding. Also why you have to let your doctor know if you ARE breastfeeding before starting a prescription.

[Horse with no Name]

5. No.

Anything you ingest passes into breast milk.

[mdmc]

16. thanks...

[NMDemDist2]

6. No n/t

[DeaconBlues]

7. from the biggest weed advocate in the world

breastfeeding while smoking pot sounds about as intelligent as sticking your hand in a garbage disposal.

[elehhhhna]

63. plus ya could drop ash on the baby's head.

[devilgrrl]

8. Who gives a rat's ass?

The point of this thread is? It's affects who?

[mdmc]

38. me

to find out if it would hurt a breastfeeding infant if his mom smoked. someone i know.

[devilgrrl]

55. It's right up there with inhailing auto exhaust in a closed garage.

:eyes:

And I bet it's safer than using baby formula produced by Nestle Corporation.

[mdmc]

65. much safer then formula

[sweetheart]

57. life is what it is

People love to judge.

Then life just *is*.

[Lost-in-FL]

9. I don't know but try this...

Pump milk BEFORE smoking pot and save for breastfeeding later. Once you smoke pot, do not breastfeed for 48 hrs. Pump the milk out during those 48 hrs (after smoking)and throw it away. Breastfeed normally after the 48 hrs. Those are the instructions given to women when using certain medications.

[Lost-in-FL]

15. By the way...

I agree with post 7

[mdmc]

21. thanks you very much for your thoughts

9 months in the womb...now what...2 years...before a new mommy can smoke again? well, you gotta do whats right for the kid...

peace and low stress

[One_of_8]

41. Common mis-perception by first-time parents

is that the pregnancy and child birth are the hard part. That's the easy part. The hard part is awakening to the realization that life, as you knew it pre-parenthood, is now but a memory and shall never return again. Sacrifice is the name of the game. If you are feeling particularly stressed, or you are getting together with a friend for a meal, don't sweat having a glass of wine here and there. Forego the weed (of any kind) until you're done breastfeeding, and then only when you're away from the kiddo.

[Ikari Gendo]

18. About post #9...

That's for water soluable meds. THC is oil soluable and stays in the body for weeks. Not cool. Not OK. Not ever.

[mdmc]

42. thank you for posting

i know how little you post. i appreciate it... thanks... peace and low stress

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

43. oil soluable ?

I didn't know that, interesting. Thanx!

[Marnieworld]

48. yep that's why you can make THC butter

or oil and then use these enhanced fats in cooking. Also the heavier you are the longer it stays with you because it is stored in fat cells in your body. A thin smoker has a greater chance of passing a drug test than a heavy one. I know all of this for no apparent reason. ;)

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

50. LOL! nt

[Lost-in-FL]

46. Thanks for the info!

[WindRavenX]

52. technically, THC is *lipid* soluable, which includes more than just oil...

...so yeah, not good for baby.

[blm]

32. NO WAY!!! Herb stays for a few weeks in your body - not the same!

.

[TexasLawyer]

10. Don't post crap like this

Google yer dumb questions.

[mdmc]

22. ok

peace

[TexasLawyer]

40. Sorry, but you seem

to be advocating something illegal. And making light of something that is probably "child abuse" in most states.

This is the kind of post that gives DU a black eye and conceivably could get DU closed down.

Nothing personal.

Peace.

[mdmc]

49. sometimes people don't know stuff about infants

college educated people... people that would never harm their baby, but... also get stressed and want to cut loose once in a while.

[BrklynLiberal]

69. Is there going to be someone else around to take care of the baby while

you "cut loose"?

[Lost-in-FL]

54. I know the question sounds bad but...

At least she (she?) is not asking how to bomb an abortion clinic or killing non-Christians like someone would on Freeperville.

[appal_jack]

45. hey TL - not cool!

The OP asked a valid question. There have been some good answers regarding fat solubility, potential developmental impairment, and other possible risks associated with mj smoking while breastfeeding, and I appreciate reading those.

I do NOT appreciate TexasLawyer's hostility. Unless you're trying to prove the old maxim about two lawyers at the bottom of a lake being "a good start," I suggest you quit while you're behind...

DU is many wonderful things - one of which is a DISCUSSION board, where we, who still believe in real personal liberty, may choose to ask questions that would be taboo in "mainstream" society. The DISCUSSION that follows is often quite illuminating. "Google yer dumb questions" fails to illuminate anything. TL - you might try saving your own dumb answers for Free Republic...

-app

[mdmc]

51. i appreciate your defense

but tl has a point - my OP kinda asks for medical advice. not really for DU.

Thank you for your kind words and post. Peace, mdmc

[TexasLawyer]

60. I've just read too many stories like this

and just a word to the wise-- If you smoke pot--especially around your baby-- don't advertise the fact on the world wide web. It's called "Exhibit A".

Florida child abuse, marijuana charges

DELTONA -- A naked 3-year-old girl found chasing after a cat on Normandy Boulevard led deputies to two men Thursday who were charged with child abuse and drug possession.

After spotting the girl, deputies went to her home and found her father and roommate asleep. Neither realized the girl was missing. Deputies also found a dirty and feverish 2-month-old boy in the home.

Both children were taken to Florida Hospital DeLand to be examined.

The children's father, Ronald Lankert, 30, was arrested and charged with two counts of child abuse and one count of possession of Marijuana under 20 grams. The roommate, Patrick Emsley, 21, faces the same charges.

The children's mother arrived at the home later and was not arrested, although the investigation continues.

http://www.drug-rehabs.org/content.php?cid=3450&state=Florida
The Department of Children & Families also is investigating.

[mdmc]

66. i've worked with CPS (child protective service)

in NYS.

This post of yours is about neglect and outright child abuse.

[dogday]

11. Lack of electricity getting to you huh????

[mdmc]

23. lol

:)

[YOY]

12. The REAL question is: Is it cool to breast feed while smoking herb?

Ooooh, I'm so naughty!

[KoKo]

13. Couldn't you have posted this in the DU Lounge?

:eyes:

[mdmc]

26. yes

[uppityperson]

14. not cool, "safe" means what?

[mdmc]

24. will it hurt the infant?

that is what i was trying to fing out.

[SOS]

59. Not according to the NIH and the American Academy of Pediatrics

"Exposure to Marijuana During Breastfeeding
Sixty—two of the infants seen at 1 year of age had been breast— fed. Of these, 27 of the
mothers reported using marijuana during breastfeeding; 12 of them smoked once a month
or less, 9 weekly, and 6 daily.
No significant difference was found between users and nonusers in the age infants were
weaned, suggesting that marijuana did not interfere with lactation.
Comparison of infant outcomes on growth, or on mental and motor development,
revealed no apparent effects of postnatal marijuana exposure."

http://www.nida.nih.gov/pdf/monographs/monograph59/048-060_Tennes.pdf

Although no positive or negative neurobehavioral effects of prenatal exposure were found at 3 days of life using the Brazelton examination, there were significant differences between the exposed and nonexposed neonates at the end of the first month. Comparing the two groups, the neonates of mothers who used marijuana showed better physiological stability at 1 month and required less examiner facilitation to reach an organized state and become available for social stimulation. The results of the comparison of neonates of the heavy-marijuana-using mothers and those of the nonusing mothers were even more striking. The heavily exposed neonates were more socially responsive and were more autonomically stable at 30 days than their matched counterparts. The quality of their alertness was higher; their motor and autonomic systems were more robust; they were less irritable; they were less likely to demonstrate any imbalance of tone; they needed less examiner facilitation to become organized; they had better self-regulation; and were judged to be more rewarding for caregivers than the neonates of nonusing mothers at 1 month of age.

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/abstract/93/2/254

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

68. I linked a study that does show some adverse effect, circa 1990. Even your

study, circa early 80's, describes at least one other study in the discussion section, from around that time, also showing adverse effect. I think the best that can be said is that the issue is unclear. To conclude from one study like this, that pot babies will be superior in motor and intellectual capacity, is not supported by this one study. The study's authors do not reach such a conclusion.

[LA lady]

17. from a La Leche Leader

No, No and Hell No

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

19. THC, the active ingredient in marijuana, hangs around much longer in

your body than almost any other kind of drug, because it's so fat soluble. That's why it can be detected in a urinalysis for a month or so.

So, if you are using it, do not do so under the illusion that breastfeeding won't pass any on to the child.

[butterfly77]

37. I heard it could last for six months in

urine hair and there is nothing that can remove it or mask it, why wouldn't it affect a baby or child.

[gollygee]

20. Assuming you are asking for real

the answer is never

http://www.kellymom.com/health/lifestyle/marijuana.html

[mdmc]

28. thanks for the link

peace

[TallahasseeGrannie]

25. Give the baby a bottle

or don't smoke. Infants rely on that milk coming from good nutrition with no additives!

[mdmc]

30. that seems to be what is what

thanks tallahasseegrannie

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

27. More:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=2333069&query_hl=6&itool=pubmed_docsum

Neurotoxicol Teratol. 1990 Mar-Apr;12(2):161-8. Related Articles, Links

Maternal marijuana use during lactation and infant development at one year.

Astley SJ, Little RE.

Department of Pediatrics, University of Washington, Seattle 98195.

Prenatal marijuana exposure is associated with adverse perinatal effects. Very little is known about the effect of postnatal marijuana exposure on infant development. Postnatal exposure can result from maternal use of marijuana during lactation. Delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) transfers and concentrates in the mother's milk and is absorbed and metabolized by the nursing infant. The present study investigated the relationship between infant exposure to marijuana via the mother's milk and infant motor and mental development at one year of age. One hundred and thirty-six breast-fed infants were assessed at one year of age for motor and mental development. Sixty-eight infants were exposed to marijuana via the mother's milk. An additional 68 infants were matched to the marijuana-exposed infants on pre- and postpartum maternal alcohol and tobacco use. Marijuana exposure via the mother's milk during the first month postpartum appeared to be associated with a decrease in infant motor development at one year of age.

[mdmc]

31. thanks for the link and info

i really appreciate

[pacalo]

29. I sure wouldn't! Stay away from jackhammers, too.

[mdmc]

33. thanks for the pic!

peace!

[Richard Steele]

35. Oh holy crap! That photo! Betcha a nickel that's a B*sh supporter!

Just...
Just...
Just WTF????????
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[LincolnMcGrath]

36. Everything in moderation Dear.

[mdmc]

39. not everything...

it seems...

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

47. It's a good question.

I wouldn't have known the answer to it myself, Thank to all the posters for good input on this subject.
Health Informative threads are great for all of us.

[ComerPerro]

44. Common sense would suggest "no"

[Warpy]

53. I wouldn't smoke ANYTHING

I also wouldn't eat hot peppers, lots of garlic, or lots of cruciferous veggies. I'd also run any over the counter medicine past the pharmacist to make sure it's OK for breastfeeding moms. Most aren't.

Breatfeeding means you're not quite separate yet.

[Fridays Child]

56. Ganja babies grow up to be smarter, calmer, and more rational adults.

Of course, I can't prove that my statement is true but I'm not sure that anyone can prove it to be false, either. But I once read an observational study of the offspring of some Caribbean women who smoked dope, while pregnant. The researcher reported that those ganja babies had higher IQs, on average, than their non-ganja counterparts.

:shrug:

[mdmc]

58. thanks for your post

peace!

[stepnw1f]

61. Did the Baby Burp Smoke?

and have beadie red eyes?

[BeTheChange]

64. Im gonna say its a personal decision..

Its alot safer then a csection with anesthesia, an epidural and pitocin.

But to each his own. I had a friend who had horrible nausea and she smoked pot sometimes when she was pregnant. Her son is an amazing genius child.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

67. How can you make a statement like this with no evidence?

Its alot safer then a csection with anesthesia, an epidural and pitocin.

[Moderator]

70. Locking ...

This thread has crossed the line into medical advice. Thank you for understanding.