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steven johnson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 05:51 PM
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The end of life controversy -- how much is too much money to spend?
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Dr. Rosenthal collaborated with colleagues at U.C.L.A. and four other medical centers and found that for elerly heart failure patients, the hospitals that spend the most seem to save the most lives.

These results reveal one of the fundamental flaws in the cost saving approach of the Obama Administration with Medicare. Looking at health care costs in areas of the US where the population is healthier, the end of life costs are lower does not prove that the lower cost areas are more efficient health care systems. It simply reflects socioeconomic differences between patients in the poorer sections of Los Angeles and those in the Mayo Clinic’s small and solidly middle-class areas like Rochester, Minnesota. Rochester has lower costs because their patients do not have as many health problems as those in Los Angeles, they have longer life spans and they cost less money to the healthcare system long before they come to the ends of their longer lives. It's apples and oranges. You take poor people who smoke too much, drink too much, exercise too little, have poor nutrition and live in a high stress urban environment, they are going to be more expensive to keep alive in their final years. No big surprise -- except to the paper pushers in Washington D.C. who live in an Ivory Tower apart from the real world.

But the Obama Administration health 'experts' feel they can impose a 'one size fits all' approach to end of life care: less testing, less intensive management and less money for the very sick elderly.

I discussed this earlier on DU and I still think the Obama people have a blind spot here:
Why President Obama Can't Use Green Bay & Lacrosse to Project Healthcare Costs




Yet that ethos has made the medical center (UCLA) a prime target for critics in the Obama administration and elsewhere who talk about how much money the nation wastes on needless tests and futile procedures. They like to note that U.C.L.A. is perennially near the top of widely cited data, compiled by researchers at Dartmouth, ranking medical centers that spend the most on end-of-life care but seem to have no better results than hospitals spending much less.

Listening to the critics, Dr. J. Thomas Rosenthal, the chief medical officer of the U.C.L.A. Health System, says his hospital has started re-examining its high-intensity approach to medicine. But the more U.C.L.A.’s doctors study the issue, the more they recognize a difficult truth: It can be hard, sometimes impossible, to know which critically ill patients will benefit and which will not.

By some estimates, the country could save $700 billion a year if hospitals like U.C.L.A. behaved more like Mayo (Clinic). High medical bills for Medicare patients’ final year of life account for about a quarter of the program’s total spending.

Under the House health care legislation pending in Congress, the Institute of Medicine would conduct a study of the regional variations in Medicare spending to try to determine how to reward hospitals like Mayo for providing more cost-effective care. Hospitals identified as high-cost centers might even be penalized, perhaps receiving lower payments from the government. The Senate bill calls only for studies of Medicare spending variations, so it will be up to House-Senate negotiators to resolve the matter in the final legislation.

Weighing Medical Costs of End-of-Life Care
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 06:06 PM
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1. Why don't they just shoot us? Who wants a bunch of needy old people at
the end of lives who have paid taxes all their lives. Or are the bullets too expensive, too?
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 06:23 PM
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2. Thanks
It is a very interesting article.
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wuvuj Donating Member (874 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 07:14 AM
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3. Be velly velly careful...
...they are ready to reproduce....




http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/12/24/What-Two-Surprising-Factors-Can-Predict-Your-Risk-for-Heart-Disease.aspx


A large 10-year study found that half of all fatal heart disease cases, and a quarter of all non-fatal cases are linked to being overweight and having a high body mass index (BMI) or large waist.

Body mass index and waist circumference are well known risk factors for cardiovascular disease, but the researchers said their work showed BMI and waist size could actually help predict your risk of dying from, or developing heart disease.

...


Heart disease is one of the easiest diseases to prevent and avoid, but you simply must be proactive in order to do this. Many people don’t realize that the most common symptom of heart disease is actually sudden death -- not chest pain or shortness of breath. Most of the time there are NO warning signs, so that’s why knowing, and monitoring, your risk factors is critical.

Having a high body mass index (BMI) or a large waist have long been linked to heart disease risk, and now this new study has found they may also predict your risk of dying from heart disease as well.

However, previous studies have found that while being overweight or obese can raise your heart disease risks, the place you carry your fat may be an even bigger factor.

Body mass index (BMI), which gauges weight in relation to height, is only a crude way to judge obesity-related heart disease risk. It does not measure where fat is on your body or how muscular you might be. Athletes and completely out-of-shape people can have similar BMI scores, for instance, and previous research has demonstrated that a potbelly is a better predictor of heart trouble than total weight.

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