Medical center to coexist with holistic hospital

[Celebration]

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/index.php?sty=65342

A holistic medical facility planned alongside Mercy Gilbert Medical Center is anticipated to become a national model for integrating conventional and naturopathic medicine. The Celebration Center for Integrated Healing is planned on 5 acres next to the first full-service hospital in Gilbert.

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Although it’s just a small part of the 100-acre campus, the naturopathic center has influenced the focus of the Catholic Healthcare West 60-acre hospital, which has embraced a similar philosophy of integrated health care.

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Rubin and colleagues are planning research to illustrate how well allopathic, or conventional, medicine works with naturopathic treatments from massage to hydrotherapy or reiki. Arizona naturopathic doctors at the site plan to work with a Florida hospital on colon cancer research, after the facility expressed interest in forming a similar integrated program to Gilbert’s.

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“We want to provide some of those natural healing elements such as touch, massage and some complementary medicine that patients look for now,” she said. “There is a big swing for people seeking additional ways to stay healthy.”

[HysteryDiagnosis]

1. Reasons why... evidence for homeopathic effects......

http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/homeopat.htm

"Dr. William A. Tiller and his colleagues at Stanford University developed a subtle energy detector -- an ultra-sensitive Geiger counter-type device -- with which they demonstrated the existence of an energy field that is not in the electromagnetic spectrum. With this special detector, Dr. Tiller demonstrated that this subtle energy field responds to intentional human focus. The combination of the instrument that detects the DNA phantom effect and the ultra-sensitive gas discharge detector represent two of the most advanced technologies known for the scientific study of subtle energy."

Another page is titled "New Technology Provides Scientific Evidence of Water's Capacity to Store and Amplify Weak Electromagnetic and Subtle Energy Fields". Many of the properties of water that are mentioned on this page remind me of the properties of the ORMUS materials in water. This page is at:

http://www.webcom.com/hrtmath/IHM/Research/water.html

Here are some interesting quotes from this page:

"Research has shown that water is a liquid crystal with a pliable lattice matrix that is capable of adopting many structural forms. The structure of water gives it an infinite capacity to store information within its matrix. A growing body of recent scientific evidence is now confirming traditional intuitive understandings of water's role as mediator between the energetic and material worlds and its function as an accumulator, transmitter and transducer of energy patterns and information. Much evidence points to water's ability to effectively memorize energy patterns with which it comes in contact and retain the energetic memory of vibrational frequencies for extended periods of time. Homeopathic medicine, for example, is based on water's capacity to store within its structural matrix the energetic imprint or vibrational signature of physical substances."

[Orrex]

2. "an energy field that is not in the electromagnetic spectrum."

Sorry, but that's like saying "we've developed a square that has only three sides." Conceivably, I suppose that they could be talking about the Strong force or Gravity, but I don't believe that the human body can actively generate or control either of those.

I'll need independent corroboration of the good Dr. Tiller's assertion before a statement of such astonishing significance can be taken at face value. Let's see the data, and let's have this "subtle energy detector" examined by an independent researcher. Then we'll talk.



I don't want to start a whole big thing here after Itsjustme and I achieved a sort of detente in last week's shouting mach. I'll elaborate if anyone wants me to, but all that stuff about "water memory" is 100% bullshit.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

3. Water memory

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn3817

Each dilution was made according to a strict protocol, and vigorously stirred at each stage, as homeopaths do. When Rey compared the ultra-dilute lithium and sodium chloride solutions with pure water that had been through the same process, the difference in their thermoluminescence peaks compared with pure water was still there (see graph).

"Much to our surprise, the thermoluminescence glows of the three systems were substantially different," he says. He believes the result proves that the networks of hydrogen bonds in the samples were different.

[Celebration]

4. Tiller

Pretty outrageous guy--he actually has a really long sort of scientific book about conditioning of machines and such things. It is sort of a much less readable version of the Amazing and Wonderful Mind Machines book but filled with lots of charts and graphs. Although I do trust his experiments, he relies way too much on heavy meditators. I think it is fine to be a heavy meditator but that makes his experiments rather difficult to replicate, since there are so few heavy meditators around. And they may or may not be good at it. Just saying he has impeccable credentials in materials science, but all this stuff is his main interest. And he was one of the physicists quoted in "What the Bleep" movie-- the one that didn't say that his pronouncements were selectively cut (the other one did).

Now field theory isn't just his view--check out Rupert Sheldrake sometime. He is much easier to read than Tiller.

I would think a few science fair projects could test the memory/imprinting of water thing. I watched a DVD with Dr. Mercola showing some rice that was cooked in water that had "love" imprinted on the glass vs. rice cooked in water that had "hate" imprinted on the glass. Both were left out a few days, supposedly, and of course the "hate" cooked rice looked pretty awful, whereas the "love" cooked rice looked fresh (however I would not have eaten either). Actually Dr. Mercola did not do this experiment but relied on someone else and he just took him at his word. So the experiment was meaningless.

But all these kids that need to do science fair projects could try different approaches with this--using various imprinted water to make plants grow, or cook rice, or whatever, but have lots of samples--not just one. I am too lazy to do it myself, though I think I can energize water with some techniques that I know (meaning imprinting that mysterious chi/orgone). If I weren't so lazy I would set up some experiments to see if I could tell the difference, in a double blind way, using muscle testing or something. I can honestly say that homeopathy, the few times I have tried it, does nothing for me. Dr. Emoto actually sells sets of cards of his pictures of water crystals. He suggests putting a glass of water on the one you want to "charge" the water. If anyone decides to try this then use a glass of water, not plastic, because the "energy fields" go through glass but not through plastic--or so I have heard.

I think my swimming pool needs a little energizing right now because it is full of yellow algae!! The problem is that I have no control group. But I am going to try it.

What all this has to do with the thread, I don't know. Maybe they teach homeopathy in naturopathic school, I don't really know.

I'm not in the mood to defend mysterious properties of water. Certainly it is unproven in mainstream science, I will agree to that!! I just thought I would add my two cents to the discussion.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

6. Interesting all of that... have you ever heard of Penta-Water?

check it out, I have spoken with naturopaths who swear it is the only way they can get some type II's hydrated...

http://www.pentawater.com/research.shtml
Leaves Stomach Faster

In a gastric emptying study conducted by Professor Donald MacLaren at Liverpool John Moores University in England, Penta water was compared with another bottled water. The purpose of this study was to identify why people do not experience a sloshing effect after drinking Penta. The gastric contents of study volunteers were emptied 10 minutes after ingesting one bottle of either Penta or another bottled water and the volumes compared. Penta water was shown to leave the stomach 6 milliliters (or 0.2 fluid ounces) per minute faster than the other water.

This study is in preparation for publication.

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Faster Hydration
In a hydration study conducted by Professor Donald MacLaren at Liverpool John Moores University in England, participants in this study were exercised until they reached clinical dehydration (a 2% drop in blood plasma volume). After rehydrating with Penta water and another bottled water, a blood plasma analysis was conducted. Penta was shown to hydrate 16.7 times faster than the other bottled water.

This study is in preparation for publication.

[BuddhaGirl]

5. this is wonderful!

I hope this concept spreads to other areas...it is certainly needed! :thumbsup: