Why Democrats want to cover 30 Million. The GOP 3 Million

[sfpcjock]

Did you notice in the President's health care summit yesterday how:

1) The Boehner didnt know what was "wrong" with the Democratic healthcare bill he voted on so he had to bring in "experts" and some veterenarian (LOL) to say CBO had lied about it, and that an increase in coverage would really be a "decrease".

2) The other GOP henchmen said over and over how "we can't afford it" to fix a health care system that charges twice as much as other countries for 1/37 as good care.



I guess if I personally go bankrupt with hospital bills that then somehow I CAN AFFORD IT.

Since the US pays $6,000 per year for care that costs $3,200 in Canada, then just take the costs out, Bozos, and don't charge me $1,500 for an MRI that costs $100 in Japan. Thank you.

The President should move ahead with all due speed to inact the Democratic plan without the help of the other party. Why? Because almost all health legislation in the past--at least the good ones like COBRA and SCHIP--came into being this way, and so should the insurance reform bill of 2010.

http://www.billpressshow.com/2010/02/25/republicans-give-green-light-for-reconciliation/">Republicans Give Green Light For Reconciliation by Bill Press, 2-26-2010

Republican Glossary:

o "Government run" - imposing some regulation over insurance companies who made an additional $4 Billion last year during the biggest recession in 80 years and who are allowed to drop you and kill you if you get sick.

o "Start over" - Kill the bill

o "Step-by-step" - make piece meal changes like the unfunded Medicare Part-D that don't even negotiate for better prices for the government like the VA does, and are designed to destroy Medicare or reduce it to a voucher.

[terrell9584]

1. How is forcing us to give part of our income to a private company?

Count as "covering all of us"?

The idea that mandatory insurance=universal coverage is the same kind of logic that says 2+2=5. The American public sees through the bullshit.


Of course, they have no interest in actually covering all of us. What they really want to do is become the pre-eminent party of the insurance industry and their contributions and they're willing to fuck the little people to do it. That's why they're pushing tort reform and mandatory insurance. Two policy ideas that are wet dreams for the insurance industry.

[OHdem10]

2. Democrats believe Health Care a Right: Republicans believe Health Care a Privilege

It has always been GOP position to help the POOREST of the Poor.
I guess, so as not to appear absolutely heartless.

Many say, it is your Personal Responsibili

ty.

The only way to ever get Health Care is to bring the Independents'and
a few Republicans.

In the election Obama brought Independents and GOP out to vote
for him.

note: The Media are part of the elite, under Clinton and now
Obama the Media did not want HC. This is why the Democrats needed
to work doubly hard and go over the Media to get their messages
out.

[sfpcjock]

3. "Worth noting that...

Medicare received only 22 Republican votes. And, now we see the GOP claim it as if it were their own." - Rep. Keith Ellison (MN) said this morning on http://www.StephanieMiller.com">The Stephanie Miller show

[Archangel12]

4. To force, or not to force, that is the question...

The only way the Democrats are even coming close to insuring
all who are currently un-insured, by choice or otherwise, is
simply by force. Within the senate bill, there are mandates
requiring the purchase of insurance. Essentially, under the
senate bill, the government is forcing you by way of fines,
penalties and potential jail time to purchase an insurance
policy that is pre-structured for you by an individual
bureaucrat or, bureaucracy to what they consider an acceptable
level of health insurance coverage. This particular mandate,
or even the thought of to be considered, I dont see making it
through the supreme court as the mandate in its nature is
grossly un-constitutional.

There are a few very simple measures that can be taken to
allow access to affordable coverage to anyone who WANTS to
attain it. For one, we can remove the restrictions on
innerstate purchasing of insurance policies which will open
the flood gates for competitive pricing of premiums. If
citizens of California are all of the sudden able to purchase
premiums from, I dont know, Arkansas or somewhere out of
state, for 20% of what they are paying in California.. How
long do you think it will be before everyone in California is
purchasing their insurance out of state? Now to add to that,
how long do you think it will be before the insurance
providers within CA will lower their rates to compete with
those out of state providers to try and gain some of heir
customer base back? It goes back and forth. There are roughly
1400 insurance providers in the United States. If the
Democrats were really about choice and competition, they would
lift the state limitations on insurance policy purchasing and
let the private market, or better yet, let capitalism work its
magic.

Another simple fix is to remove the ability of the insurance
providers to deny coverage for individuals with pre-existing
conditions. Now, premiums for individuals with pre-existing
conditions are going to be significantly higher for obvious
reasons. So there are several ideas as to how premiums can be
kept rather affordable. One being the idea of high risk pools.
High risk pools will allow for large groups of individuals
with pre-existing conditions to purchase their premiums at
group discounted rates. Its unfortunate that their premiums
would be higher as a result of their conditions, but thats the
nature of the insurance industry. If it costs more to insure
an individual, the increased price of the insured is obviously
going to be passed on to the end user. Simple economics. The
Democrat plan throws individuals with pre-existing conditions
into pools with otherwise healthy individuals who would
normally carry very little coverage to none at all. What this
does is raise the rates for those healthy individuals to cover
the increased cost of carrying individuals with pre-existing
conditions. Some would say thats a form of socialism, and it
can easily be viewed as such. Couple that with the mandate
within the Democrat senate bill and the government will then
be forcing healthy individuals to carry a certain level of
coverage, a level dictated by the government, at a price that
would have normally been lower if they had not been included
in a pool with individuals with pre-existing conditions.
Another flaw of the democrat senate bill, and another reason
republican support is nowhere to be found.

The 31,000,000 - 46,000,000 figure being tossed around is over
exaggerated. A quick google search can give you the real
figures as this particular topic has been picked apart from
the get go. There are roughly 10-15 million Americans who
simply choose to go without coverage, who are either paying
for their basic care out of pocket, are healthy, or both, and
another several million who do not have coverage who are
qualified for some form of government provided health
insurance. In the senate bill, these individuals will lose
their option to choose to go without coverage by way of
mandates, fines and penalties.

So with the removal of state limitations, removal of dropping
or denying coverage for pre-existing coverage, and then adding
subsidies for those who still cant afford coverage..... As I
said, a few simple measures that will make a world of
difference. No mandates, no bureaucracies, no uncle same
approved plans. Simple, affect, and affordable.

Thats pretty much what the GOP is proposing.

If anyone would like to debate me on this and possibly explain
why you feel the government has a right to force you to
purchase a health insurance plan, and to add, a health
insurance plan that they construct and declair sutiable
coverage for you and your family... Be my guest.