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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-10 01:03 PM
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Reducing the toxic effects of forced vaccinations.
Edited on Thu Sep-02-10 01:05 PM by Mr_Jefferson_24
For the past 25 years Dr. Russell Blaylock has practiced neurosurgery in addition to having a nutritional practice. He recently retired from both practices to devote full time to nutritional studies and research.

Here are his suggestions for how to reduce the toxic effects of a forced vaccination:

http://www.pandemic-flu-guide.com/forced-vaccination.html

-------------------------------

Here is his commentary concerning H1N1 and vaccines in general in an interview from last year:

1 of 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--nWrqIspnQ&feature=related

2 of 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnaiubVJv8E&feature=related

3 of 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktcoJW6mj1U&feature=related

4 of 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5E2N4pliXs&feature=related

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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-10 01:09 PM
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1. The most toxic effect of forced vaccination is the proliferation of anti-vax hysteria
Cue the anti-science anti-vax crowd who invariably says "here come the vaccine defenders" in three...

two...

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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-10 01:44 PM
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15. +1...nt
Sid
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uncommon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-10 01:49 PM
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18. +1
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-10 01:10 PM
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2. Vaccination is a crucial leg of public health
Anyone who says otherwise is wrong.

It's not the only leg, and it's definitely overemphasized in the developing world compared to sanitation, but come on, people.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-10 01:14 PM
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3. "Forced vaccinations?" LOL.
Also, did you know that Blaylock was a fraud before you posted this? And you posted it anyway?

Or are you just finding out?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Blaylock
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-10 01:18 PM
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5. Google alert is your friend.
Day or night, HFPS is on the job. :rofl:
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-10 01:19 PM
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6. Actually, you anti-vaccers have brought up Blaylock on numerous occasions.
I don't know why. Once a fraud, always a fraud.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-10 01:32 PM
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10. What's the payoff?
You can reliably be expected within 10 minutes to deliver a 6 word reply (which always includes the quasi-word "anti-vaxxer" capped by the obligatory smiley intended to express your contempt for the poster) to any thread which includes the words "autism", "vaccine", "thimerosal", "Wakefield" or "Kirby". Did I miss any of the keywords?

The payoff is either psychological or financial. Asshole or employee... pick one.

Regardless of your motivation, I salute your diligence in the service of it.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-10 01:36 PM
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12. The pay off is that children don't die.
You anti-vaccers kill children.

So I have a moral obligation to correct your bullshit.

And then there's the issue that I'm technically correct, and you're technically wrong.

So there's that aspect of it.

And then there's just the personal enjoyment of watching you people paint yourselves into a corner, and then trying to squirm your way out.

Call it schadenfreude.

I'd do it for free, but I'd be happy to accept pay if anybody wants to offer it.

If that makes me an asshole, so be it. At least I'm not an anti-vaccer scumbag.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-10 03:05 PM
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28. I love it when anti-vaxers compile those cute little checklists
You know the kind, with an arbitrary list of things that they don't like and which, in the aggregate, they claim is proof that their opponent is wrong simply by virtue of, well, nothing. At least nothing resembling a refutation of the opponent's argument.

Compiling such a checklist is tantamount to admitting that you have no argument or evidence in support of what you think is your point.


I await some colorfully misguided response accusing me of ad hominem arguments or the like; anything to distract from the bottom line that anti-vaxers don't have a rhetorical leg to stand on.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-10 03:06 PM
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29. What's the payoff for the anti-vaxxers?
Wait...I know...they get to sell lots of their books, naturopathic and homeopathetic "remedies," and make money. That's their payoff. The downside is that people die unnecessarily. I guess it's worth it for them, though, since they get all those bux. Feh!
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-10 01:41 PM
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14. I'm pretty sure that crowd defines "fraud" as its opposite by now. (nt)
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-10 03:02 PM
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25. Especially when the person accused of being a fraud is, in fact, a fraud
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sharp_stick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-10 01:16 PM
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4. Ahhh Blaylock
Edited on Thu Sep-02-10 01:21 PM by sharp_stick
I haven't heard his name in awhile. Snake oil still sells I guess.

At least this asshole tends to sell most of his "nutritional snake oil" on Newsmax where it reaches a critical mass of assholes.
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-10 01:39 PM
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13. Blaylock, like Wakefield, will never stop fleecing the fools. Too lucrative. n/t
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sharp_stick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-10 01:19 PM
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7. Sorry Dupe n/t
Edited on Thu Sep-02-10 01:20 PM by sharp_stick
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-10 01:24 PM
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9. This bad medical advice. This is all quackery. Nt
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-10 01:36 PM
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11. Of course it's all total hogwash, but if it'll persuade ignorant
and frightened parents to protect their children against deadly childhood diseases, then I'm willing to give the guy a pass.

This once.
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-10 01:48 PM
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16. Up to about 1910, 50% of all children born in the US...
died of childhood diseases before their 16th birthdays. All we had in '35 when I was born was the smallpox innoculation. By school age(40-41), we lined up in Drs offices and at school where teams of med personnel administered shots as needed.

Much of today's different innoculations did not exist until quite recently(last 40 years).

Those who are so against the immunizations would have us return to the 50% death rate of our children. The diseases are still out there.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-10 02:01 PM
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19. They sure as hell are
The best public health laws out there are the ones that force parents to choose between home schooling and immunizing their kids so they can go to schools. Some kids, like kids with cancer and kids with AIDS, can't be vaccinated and absolutely depend on having all the other kids around them vaccinated.

Parents who don't want to vaccinate their kids need to know this stuff. While they can sacrifice their own kids to misguided hogwash parading as science, they aren't allowed to threaten anyone else's kids.

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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-10 01:49 PM
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17. Don't vaccinate your children...Child mortality is way too low.
:sarcasm:
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-10 02:01 PM
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20. Take a look at this from Dr. Blaylock
Edited on Thu Sep-02-10 02:01 PM by CreekDog
http://w3.newsmax.com/blaylock/63a.cfm

I'll give you an excerpt:

"WARNING!
Healthcare Reform Means
Socialized Medicine!

* More government control is coming!
* Obamacare is rationed care!
* Protect the health of your family now!

Dear Friend,

If you think we've got problems with our healthcare system now, just wait until you see what your government has in store for you . . .

President Obama is pushing nationalized health insurance via the so-called public option, which is the first step toward socialized medicine."
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-10 02:32 PM
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23. BINGO nt
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-10 02:07 PM
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21. Hello? OP?
Where'd you go?
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-10 02:21 PM
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22. But how can we reduce the toxic effects of nonsense posts ...
about the so-called toxic effects of "forced vaccinations"?

Well, for one thing, we can unrec the posts.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-10 02:56 PM
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24. Russell Blaylock is a rabid anti-vaxxer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Blaylock

"Blaylock has also urged avoidance of the swine flu (H1N1) vaccination, which he claims is more dangerous than the infection itself. In various alternative media outlets, Blaylock has given advice on what he feels an individual should do if faced with mandatory vaccination.<19> Current research indicates that an effective vaccine is a vital tool in protecting the public and that the new H1N1 vaccine is both safe and effective.<4><20> Advertisements selling the 'Blaylock Wellness Report' at newsmax.com contain claims of additional health dangers, including fluoridated drinking water, fluoridated toothpaste, vaccines, dental amalgam, cholesterol drugs, pesticides, and aluminum cookware."

He may have been a neurologist. Now, he's a quack.

This belongs in the Health Forum.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-10 03:03 PM
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26. And now it IS in the Health Forum.
Discussions of anti-vaxxers' theories always end up in this forum. It's easier for OPs to just post them here.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-10 03:08 PM
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30. He's the Orly Taitz of health issues
I was thinking Lounge, but it's been moved to Health. :)
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-10 03:24 PM
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32. Well, that's where it belongs, where people who know who this
Blaylock flu quack is. People are forever trying to post this anti-vaxxer stuff in GD, where it may not be noticed by people who follow this stuff. Now that flu season is drawing near, we can expect more of this nonsense.
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GoneOffShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-10 03:04 PM
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27. Read "The Great Influenza" by John A Barry
Then get back to me
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-10 03:22 PM
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31. Here's some information about the person that runs the site
of the pandemic-flu-guide.com site linked to in the OP:

"New to this site? Welcome! I’m a retired health care professional--an occupational therapist--and I have been studying the H5N1 Bird Flu or Avian Flu for the last several years. ...And more recently the H1N1 Swine Flu. I try to provide a "fair and balanced" perspective in layman's terms. If you have any ideas to share, please comment."

Now, there's someone who's highly trained in virology, epidemiology, and immunology, right? One day...working on helping people fold paper into birds and learning how to climb steps after a knee replacement...the next...running a big website advertising books and treatments by all sorts of "alternative" health care quacks. A real career booster, that.

That's the kind of person I want to get my medical advice from...you betcha.
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-10 10:16 PM
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35. But, but, but you can't trust them overeducated neanderthals you cite!
Come on!
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-10 08:24 AM
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36. Hey! Don't you call me a "cite!"
:rofl:
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Dorian Gray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-10 06:19 PM
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33. What are these
"forced" vaccinations that this article is warning us about?

It reads to me like scare-mongering for no reason.
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-10 10:15 PM
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34. Very dramatic scam BS.
This is very dramatic too.

It is honest, however. That's the big difference, and that's an important difference.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6AQ4T0fk7A&feature=player_embedded
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-10 08:59 AM
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37. There is one born every minute. nt
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-10 04:51 PM
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38. Baylock is a fucking con-man.
Edited on Fri Sep-03-10 04:52 PM by Odin2005
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 09:40 AM
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39. Russell Blaylock? Have you any idea who he is?
He is an extremist opponent, not just of vaccinations - even against poli, but of 'orthodox medicine' in general, which he seems to regard as a plot by the Rockefellers. He peddles all kinds of 'natural remedies' of his own, including for serious diseases such as cancer, his own 'brain' cure, which evidently doesn't work, given that his own brain remains so addled.

Worse, he is one of those monsters of pure right-wing evil, who opposes all forms of 'socialized medicine', even to the limited degree that they exist in the USA. His opposition to vaccination programmes is just part of opposition to *any* government-run health programme

http://labvirus.wordpress.com/2009/08/14/russell-l-blaylock-md-national-health-insurance

Here are just a few excerpts from the article:

National Health Insurance: The Socialist Nightmare
By
Russell L. Blaylock, M.D.

'I find it ironic that no one asks these socialists, who is that mysterious single payer? Should the public consider this for even a moment, they would quickly realize that the single payer is the taxpayer and the administrator of the system is the government via an army of bureaucrats. The socialist has, over the years, become quite adept at selling his wares. It was the Italian communist Antonio Gramsi and earlier the Fabian socialists, who understood that most of the West would never bring about socialism (communism) by violent revolution as had Russia. Rather, they would be more successful by a piecemeal implementation of socialist programs disguised as social reform or as they termed it “change” (this term had been used by the socialist long before Obama)...

This is why the corrupted Nancy Pelosi boldly states that people are to do what she says and becomes angry when citizens reject the socialist health care plan. They just do not understand, in her mind, their role as her subjects and as the vassals of the collectivist system.


How Socialized Medicine Arose in Western Societies: Building the Foundation
...

All of this activity was setting the stage for an eventual acceptance by the public of their ideas concerning the social engineering of man, the core of which was eugenics. This would require intense, massive educational efforts. Through his General Education Board, Rockefeller was able to design the education of the population from cradle to grave. John Dewey’s new ideas on education were heavily supported by foundation money, all from the shadows. ...

(Then a somewhat garbled account of the history of eugenics)...

The people in the Obama administration, and those operating this government from the shadows, are driven by equally dangerous ideas, which to them, as with the early eugenicists, seem reasonable and logical. They truly believe that reducing human populations worldwide is critical and is an emergency. This means that the elite must decide who lives and who dies, but unlike Hitler, Stalin and Mao, they will do it, in their mind, in a more compassionate, subtle way. Yet, the victims will be just as dead as those placed in gas chambers, executed in Stalin’s gulags or slaughtered by Mao’s cultural revolutionary gangs.

.....

Edmund Burke has said wisely-”The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion”. People in England were sold the disastrous National Health Service based on the illusion that they would receive their health care free, just as we are hearing today. Of course, nothing in this world is free-someone must pay. The delusion is that the wealthy will be the ones to pay-which is a tried and true prescription of the left. Of course two things eventually happen-the “rich” run out of money and two, they find ways to evade the taxes and shift them below.

Another delusion is that this health care proposal can actually reduce overall medical cost by streamlining administrative methods and cutting the fat out of actual care. After all, who knows more about fat than the government? One would have to be one of Dr. Howe’s feebleminded to believe that the government can do anything at a lower cost than a free market.

Examine any government program, no matter how small or large, and you will observe an exponential growth in cost over time. Medicare and Medicaid cost have increased exponentially since they were originally created and the cost continues to escalate. And in every case the proponents swore that cost would not increase. Those who expressed warnings concerning these programs were attacked viciously-as are those at the townhall meetings. Cecil Plamer, in his book examining the history of British Socialism-The British Socialist Ill-fare State, notes:

The written or printed word is quite another story. The critical condition of contemporary British socialism can be measured by the socialist government’s intemperate disapproval of criticism from any quarter whatsoever.


....The lesson, as F.A Hayek has stated repeatedly, is that every time the government planner tampers with the market, it causes a number of disruptions that can increase cost or result in problems of supply. This, in the mind of the collectivist, demands more intervention, which again creates more misallocation of resources. Soon we have system that looks like a diagram of the New York subway system.
In the United States, we view the individual as important and attempt to provide everyone with the best medical care we can deliver.
Under socialism, the individual doesn’t matter-what matters is the plan and society as a whole-the masses. Under such a system, individuals are mistreated, abused, frustrated and forgotten-they just don’t matter.

.....

If one studies how we came to this dangerous idea of social control and human engineering, he will find that it is based on the Gnostic idea that some men are born far wiser than the common rabble and they are destined to rule. It is a paternalistic view that the populace (the masses in Marxist jargon) have no idea of the great questions that face mankind and that the wise of society must force them to obey to save society as a whole. They are viewed as small children, that is, ones not privy to the wisdom of their parents.
....

One of the other prime ideas of socialism is egalitarianism as an article of faith. Remember in school when a child was caught chewing gum, and the teacher would scold them by saying-”I hope you bought gum for everyone in the class.” -I think the socialist never got over this.


....With each election, decisions are going to be based on who will provide even greater funds and coverage for the various plans and who are its enemies. This is why England cannot get rid of its fraudulent and inefficient health care system-that, and the fact that it is supported by 1.4 million health-care bureaucrats-the third largest employer in the world.
This is also why those who say we have to do something about the 45 million (the number keep growing in their mind) uninsured. Even though many of these include the 18 million who do not want health insurance, 8.4 million youth who feel they are invulnerable, 12.6 million illegals who shouldn’t even be here, 8 million children whose parent have not signed them up and 3.5 million eligible for Medicare who have just not bothered to sign up, a total of 42.5 million who should be of no concern to the government.

.....
______________________
The government will always prey on, and attempt control over, the weak, the ill-informed, the conceited, the greedy, the oblivious, the distracted, the sick, the hungry, and the “dependent” …
They cannot win over a well-informed, the free and creative thinkers, and an assertive public; a public that makes its stand and loudly says,
“NO – We are not doing this, and we will fight back.”

We must make the stand and make the difference !!!!!



Is this really the sort of person who should be quoted approvingly on a health forum on a progressive board??


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