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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 09:43 AM
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gardasil works.
http://www.theage.com.au/lifestyle/wellbeing/huge-success-for-gardasil-20100706-zy6e.html

"While we knew from clinical trials that the vaccine was highly effective, Australia is the first country in the world to document a major benefit for the population as a whole."

Heterosexual men recorded a smaller decline in new genital wart cases of just over 30 per cent, the result of increased immunity among their younger female partners.

http://www.news-medical.net/news/2007/06/01/25797.aspx

A new vaccine aimed at preventing cervical cancer is nearly 100 percent effective against the two types of the human papillomavirus (HPV) responsible for most cases of cervical cancer, strains 16 and 18.

Cervical cancer is the second most common cause of cancer deaths in women worldwide, accounting for about 240,000 deaths each year. In 2007 experts predict cervical cancer will strike an estimated 11,000 women in the United States and nearly half a million women worldwide. Every day in the United States ten women die from cervical cancer, says Dr. Ault.

"Thanks to the results of this meta-analysis and a previous publication in Lancet, we now have data on three more rare cancers -- adenocarcinomas in situ of the cervix, as well as vulvar and vaginal cancer. All these female cancers are caused by HPV and can be successfully prevented with the HPV vaccine."

http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/QuestionsaboutVaccines/ucm096052.htm

fda answers questions about gardasil.
if you're anti-government -- you aren't going to like it.
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 10:50 AM
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1. Recommended.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 11:18 AM
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2. thank you. nt
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 11:49 AM
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3. It's not for everyone
If you are in a low-risk group (for instance, a lesbian in an exclusive relationship) you might find the risks of the vaccine outweigh the benefits. I know a teenage daughter of a good friend that decided against it for that reason.

I really don't like this idea of anybody that doesn't automatically have every vaccine that comes down the pike being crazy, pro-cancer, a conspiracy theorist, anti-government, etc. The vax threads always have to have that hostility in them, why is that? "If you're anti-government -- you aren't going to like it." What does that have to do with decisions people make about their health.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 12:36 PM
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6. hpv isn't just for straights. nt
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 01:22 PM
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7. True but 2 healthy women in a committed relationship
Edited on Fri Jan-14-11 01:22 PM by K8-EEE
are pretty unlikely to get it. The vaccine itself is not without risk. It's a question of weighing the risk for each individual person according to their health history and lifestyle, and keeping up yearly screenings, etc.

I'm 50 and in a 25 year marriage and I'm not getting it. If I was a young woman and dating I probably would get it.

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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 01:26 PM
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9. the cdc says the vaccine is very safe. nt
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 01:28 PM
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10. The vaccine risk-free? Everyone needs it no questions asked?
Are you selling this vaccine? Are you on commission or what, you think 100% of any given population needs this thing? TALK TO YOUR DOCTOR ABOUT IT AND DO RESEARCH ON IT is my advice.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 01:35 PM
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11. For someone who just complained about "hostility" in vaccination threads,
why are you accusing someone of having a bias because they might be "selling this vaccine"? Or making a commission? Be the change you want.
:shrug:
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 12:19 PM
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4. Well, it is great against strains 16 and 18
The problem is that normally those two strains keep other dangerous strains in check; subjects on Gardasil have never shown a reduction in the actual occurrence of lesions because the other strains then take up the slack. My worry from a public health standpoint is that people will say "oh I took gardasil" and then never get an exam.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 12:36 PM
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5. the australians are getting a very different read than you.
genital warts for example down significantly for young women.

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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 01:24 PM
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8. Yes, false confidence, you still have to be very prudent
About who you sleep with, regular screenings, condoms etc etc. Not take a magic shot and never worry about it, that would be a dangerous thing.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 01:36 PM
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12. "normally those two strains keep other dangerous strains in check"
Do you have clinical research supporting this assertion, or is it something you just made up?
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 02:08 PM
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14. Merck and the CDC come to mind
Edited on Fri Jan-14-11 02:11 PM by Recursion
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5920a5.htm?s_cid=mm5920a5_e

That's the whole thing about how it doesn't end up protecting you if you've already been exposed to HPV (which is why we want to vaccinate people young).
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 02:30 PM
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15. Can you point out exactly where it confirms your claim?
Thanks!
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mhatrw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 03:24 PM
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16. It doesn't offer much protection against HPV 18 after 5 years.
It's good against HPV 16 for at least 7 years.

As far as how that will translate in terms of protecting against cervical cancer is still completely up in the air.

Is it worth the small chance of getting completely dying or getting completely disabled from vaccine complications now to protect against the small chance that you will contract cervical cancer from HPV 16 later?
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-11 01:49 PM
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13. Any vax thread for me always looks like ignored ignored ignored
From run-ins from other vax advertisement threads in the past, LOL.
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