Scientists fear MMR link to autism, plus Wakefield demands retraction from BMJ

[stockholmer]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-388051/Scientists-fear-MMR-link-autism.html
New American research shows that there could be a link between the controversial MMR triple vaccine and autism and bowel disease in children.

The study appears to confirm the findings of British doctor Andrew Wakefield, who caused a storm in 1998 by suggesting a possible link.

Now a team from the Wake Forest University School of Medicine in North Carolina are examining 275 children with regressive autism and bowel disease - and of the 82 tested so far, 70 prove positive for the measles virus.

Last night the team's leader, Dr Stephen Walker, said: 'Of the handful of results we have in so far, all are vaccine strain and none are wild measles.

'This research proves that in the gastrointestinal tract of a number of children who have been diagnosed with regressive autism, there is evidence of measles virus.




Dr. Andrew Wakefield demands retraction from BMJ after documents prove innocence from allegations of vaccine autism data fraud

http://www.naturalnews.com/031117_BMJ_Dr_Andrew_Wakefield.html#ixzz1CGKLQ3Mm



Dr. Andrew Wakefield defends himself (video)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wH1obrIZ54k


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QHGKPNMtUQ prt 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkrHmNE1hN0 prt 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh02YAQWEVE&feature=related

[Recursion]

1. Aw jeez

Oh, and

:popcorn:

[stockholmer]

19. speaking of fraud, how about the big pharna shill Dr. Pol Thorsen, he was one main bashers of link

Central Figure in CDC Vaccine Cover-Up Absconds With $2M (Thorsen was one of chief doctors used to attack Wakefield)


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-f-kennedy-jr/central-figure-in-cdc-vac_b_494303.html

Central figure behind the Center for Disease Control's (CDC) claims disputing the link between vaccines and autism and other neurological disorders has disappeared after officials discovered massive fraudinvolving the theft of millions in taxpayer dollars. Danish police are investigating Dr. Poul Thorsen, who has vanished along with almost $2 million that he had supposedly spent on research.


Corrupt Scientist who lied about vaccines and autism vanishes with millions, by F William Engdahl

http://www.theflucase.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3061:corrupt-scientist-who-lied-about-vaccines-and-autism-vanishes-with-millions-by-f-william-engdahl&catid=1:latest-news&Itemid=64&lang=en


more on Thorsen


Apparently,even though the University of Aarhus has tried to really distance themselves from him, they have allowed a new paper to be published by Poul Thorsen

after this

on January 22, 2010, the University of Aarhus was severely troubled and issued a formal statement in which the university distanced itself from the former high-profile autism researcher:
“Aarhus University wishes to confirm that Dr. Poul Thorsen no longer has any connection to Aarhus University, and that Aarhus University will not be able to collaborate with Poul Thorsen in the future.)

and surprise! it is a paper designed to cover up fertilty industry liabilty in cerebal palsy babies

here it is http://humrep.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2010/10/17/humrep.deq206.abstract

in fact here are other papers he turned in from Aarhus and elsewhere in 2010 alone

http://humrep.oxfordjournals.org/content/25/8/2115.abstract?sid=8f296e07-25b7-4bfd-be6f-71f7f772aaa0

http://journals.lww.com/pedresearch/Abstract/2010/01000/Circulating__beta__Chemokine_and_MMP_9_as_Markers.14.aspx

http://www.springerlink.com/content/l4076j4q18335646/

http://jech.bmj.com/content/early/2010/06/27/jech.2009.093823.abstract

http://archpedi.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/164/5/470

http://sjp.sagepub.com/content/38/2/208.short

http://www.springerlink.com/content/f8p0055174874m28/


here is the Danish newspaper article
http://ing.dk/artikel/115057-forskningens-svar-paa-stein-bagger-er-svaer-at-slippe-af-med

english translated
http://translate.google.se/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=da&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fing.dk%2Fartikel%2F115057-forskningens-svar-paa-stein-bagger-er-svaer-at-slippe-af-med


Ingeniøren website (Ingeniøren is Danish for Engineer)
http://ing.dk/


one of main places Thorsen worked for in Denmark http://www.ssi.dk/English.aspx
very pro big pharma

he is STILL listed on Emory Uni website http://www.emory.edu/PROVOST/facultydevelopment/newfaculty/schoolofpublichealth.php
[e-mail]



Danish Fraud Case at Glacial Speed; Discredited Researcher Thorsen in Odense

http://www.ageofautism.com/2010/12/danish-fraud-case-at-glacial-spped-discredited-researcher-thorsen-in-odense.html
Katie Wright on CNN's Dr. Gupta Autism MMR Story

http://www.ageofautism.com/2011/01/katie-wright-on-cnns-dr-gupta-autism-mmr-story.html

[postulater]

2. But those scientists must be frauds too.

It can't be true. There is too much money at stake for the drug companies. The facts must be false.

This will be interesting.

[msanthrope]

11. "those scientists" said they found no link--in 2006...

Dr. Stephen Walker, whose research on the MMR vaccine and regressive autism was presented at this week’s International Meeting for Autism Research (IMFAR), has stated that an actual link between the MMR vaccine and “regressive autism” is “tough to prove.”

In an article in today’s Winston-Salem Journal, Dr. Walker is quoted as saying that, even if a link can be found between the MMR virus and bowel disease,

“the conclusion will be simply that there is measles virus in the gut of a large number of children who have regressive autism and bowel disease. We haven’t done anything to demonstrate that the measles virus is causing autism.”

Dr. Walker is an an assistant professor of physiology and pharmacology at the Wake Forest University Baptist Medical Center.

http://blisstree.com/live/dr-stephen-walker-on-mmr-no-link/

One wonders why the OP would rehash the debunked crap of last decade with a Mail article from 2006....

[mzmolly]

23. They did not say they found "no link" they said a link would be "difficult to prove".

That said, I can't find any further information on so called new research from Dr. Walker on the MMR vaccine.

[Warren DeMontague]

22. Yes, and bullshit is tapioca pudding.

This anti-vacc crap has been roundly debunked. Unfortunately, not in time to stop many needless deaths from things like whooping cough.

[Geoff R. Casavant]

3. Um, doesn't that put the cart before the horse?

Even if true, all this proves is that some children who have autism previously received the MMR vaccine. Just like the majority of children who don't have autism.

[Warren DeMontague]

4. Well, if the Daily Mail and "Natural News" say so, it must be true.

Seriously, stop peddling this bullshit.

[eyesroll]

5. So what's the significance of finding meales in these kids?

Did they test neurotypical kids to find out if measles hung out there, too? Maybe many people just harbor measles, the same way many people have yeast, staph, the flu, cancer cells all floating around their bodies but will never actually get sick from any of them.

So far, we have correlation. We don't even have (at least, according to the link) absence of correlation between measles and neurotypical development. We don't have causation. Yay. Analyze the diet of 82 autistic kids and I bet you'll find that 70 of them have recently consumed milk products. Woohoo. Vindication.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

6. This is the Daily Mail, so ignore it.

The Daily Mail is a far-right red-top with the journalistic standards of a magic 9-ball.

It's especially bad on science journalism - c.f. the infamous Ontological Oncology Project (google it if you haven't heard of it, it's hillarious).

Trust me on this - I'm British, and when I was an undergrad it was delivered to my student house I actually read the bloody thing for a year.

Dismiss anything it says out of hand, unless it's confirmed by a reliable source. Go read Ben Goldacre's "Bad Science" blog instead.

[LeftishBrit]

17. +1000!

[xchrom]

7. Unrec

[Codeine]

8. The Daily Mail AND Natural News?!

It's a one-two punch of completely dismissable nonsense! FAIL!

[Bunny]

9. I normally hate that popcorn smiley thing, but in this case...

:popcorn:

[blondeatlast]

10. "The Daily Mail." Pardon me, but...

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

OMG, my stomach hurts...

[Lisa0825]

12. .

[msanthrope]

13. Posted and DEBUNKED--in 2006, by the study's own author...

Friday, June 2, 2006 - 4:16 am ET Dr. Stephen Walker on MMR: No link

Dr. Stephen Walker, whose research on the MMR vaccine and regressive autism was presented at this week’s International Meeting for Autism Research (IMFAR), has stated that an actual link between the MMR vaccine and “regressive autism” is “tough to prove.”

In an article in today’s Winston-Salem Journal, Dr. Walker is quoted as saying that, even if a link can be found between the MMR virus and bowel disease,

“the conclusion will be simply that there is measles virus in the gut of a large number of children who have regressive autism and bowel disease. We haven’t done anything to demonstrate that the measles virus is causing autism.”

Dr. Walker is an an assistant professor of physiology and pharmacology at the Wake Forest University Baptist Medical Center.

http://blisstree.com/live/dr-stephen-walker-on-mmr-no-link/

[xchrom]

15. +1

[Warren DeMontague]

21. STOP PICKING ON THE BRAVE ANTI-VACCINATION TRUTH SEEKERZ!

Don't you know that vaccination is a Big Pharma $$$$$$$$cam?

:sarcasm:

[mzmolly]

24. “tough to prove" =

debunked?

According to the article, it sounds like the Dr. may have done newer research in addition to his former study?

:shrug: That said, I can't find any definitive info on this.

[mzmolly]

14. The beat goes on...

K and R.

[LeftishBrit]

16. The Daily Mail is a right-wing sensationalist tabloid...

who got a lot of sales by promoting the MMR-autism link and no doubt want to justify themselves. They also have several writers who deny global warming and/or promote 'intelligent design'. Apart from their general anti-welfare, anti-immigrant, anti-union, anti-anything-that's not-1950s-traditional-morality crap.

They are not, I repeat NOT, a reliable source.

And Natural News? Is there a single vaccine that they DO like? Moreover, their other articles range from attacking conventional treatment for serious diseases like cancer, to one that describes Ron Paul as the 'new Mahatma' and supports him not just for his opposition to the war and the Patriot Act, but explicitly for his support for 'limited civil government' (translation: fuck the poor! Destroy all public services even faster than most Republicans would do!) Not, it seems, a very reliable source all round!

[xchrom]

18. you can see the sensationalist -- bordering on bad medical advice -- rag has it's fan here. nt

[Donald Ian Rankin]

26. Bordering on? Look up the Oncological Ontology Project.

That said, I think it's unfair to brand the OP a fan on the basis of one post - they may well just not have known much about it.

[mhatrw]

20. LOL.

Not sure what cause you are trying to advance here, but this is not exactly compelling evidence for a clear MMR vaccine-autism link.

But perhaps that was the point?

[Odin2005]

25. Holy EPIC FAIL!

:crazy: