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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 07:03 PM
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HuffPost shills for homeopathy
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dana-ullman/luc-montagnier-homeopathy-taken-seriously_b_814619.html

I'll just let the comments do the talking:

"Perhaps you were unaware, but the reference that you use as being supportive of homeopathi­c efficacy in influenza has been withdrawn by the Cochrane Review:

http://www­.ncbi.nlm.­nih.gov/pu­bmed/19588­329

Even if review was still accepted, it could certainly not be considered rousing support for homeopathi­c efficacy:

"the data were not strong enough to make a general recommenda­tion to use Oscillococ­cinum for first-line treatment of influenza and influenza-­like syndromes. Further research is warranted but the required sample sizes are large. Current evidence does not support a preventati­ve effect of Oscillococ­cinum-like homeopathi­c medicines in influenza and influenza-­like syndromes.­"

As I said, certainly not impressive­."

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"Why should anyone agree that homeopathy is scientific­ally worthwhile because a Nobel Prize winner seems to believe that homeopathy has merit? That is an argument from authority, a logical fallacy. Expertise in one field, like virology, doesn't automatica­lly translate into expertise in another, like physics.

Montagnier­'s publicatio­n of research on high dilutions was actually published in a brand new jounal of which he is chairman of the editorial board. That certainly calls into question the indepedent peer-revie­w process in this case.

http://en.­wikipedia.­org/wiki/L­uc_Montagn­ier#Resear­ch_on_elec­tromagneti­c_signals_­from_DNA

Many Nobel Prize winners have gone on to believing in ideas with little or no evidencial support:

Brian Josephson believes both in parapsycho­logy and cold fusion

http://en.­wikipedia.­org/wiki/B­rian_David­_Josephson­#Parapsych­ology
http://en.­wikipedia.­org/wiki/B­rian_David­_Josephson­#Cold_fusi­on

Linus Pauling thought that DNA was a triple-hel­ix (it isn't, it's a double helix) and he also believed that high dose vitamin C can cure many things (but there is no scientific evidence to back up such a belief).

http://en.­wikipedia.­org/wiki/L­inus_pauli­ng#Career

Being a Noble Prize winner doesn't make one any less infallible than any other scientist. That is why one must look at the data, not just whether something is published or not, but what the quality of the data is and whether or not the conclusion­s follow from the evidence provided."

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""Memory of water" is impossible based on the second law of thermodyna­mics. It isn't even worth discussing­. It's like if somebody argued that gravity really goes up."

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And the best one, for laughs:
"By the laws of homeopathy­, if he wants to make his argument stronger, he has to make it weaker. Then it will be very effective."
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 07:15 PM
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1. homeopathy never made sense to me
Because allopathic medicine is flawed and corrupted, does NOT mean that homeopathy is valid by default -or negation -or because a really smart person says so.

Eating whole foods and supporting your body's healing tendency makes perfect sense, but don't offer me some hand-waving incantation.
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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 07:18 PM
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2. That's okay, it's not supposed to. Just blindly follow and here, buy some more sugar pills!
it's a religion....and just like a lot of religion, someone is making a LOT of money off of the true believers.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 07:51 PM
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3. Wow, that is some heavyweight there.
Dr. Luc Montagnier, the French virologist who won the Nobel Prize in 2008 for discovering the AIDS virus, has surprised the scientific community with his strong support for homeopathic medicine. Dr. Luc Montagnier, the French virologist who won the Nobel Prize in 2008 for discovering the AIDS virus, has surprised the scientific community with his strong support for homeopathic medicine.
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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 07:54 PM
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4. appeal to popularity - just because he won that does not make him right or everyone else wrong.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 07:57 PM
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6. Where did I say right or wrong?
I just said that he was a heavyweight.
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 07:57 PM
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5. Dana Ullman presents: Name the logical fallacies in this column.
Wow!

:wow:
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 09:01 PM
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7. You forgot one
William Shockley, Nobel laureate for his co-invention of the transistor, holder of racist views that have zero scientific basis.
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 12:36 PM
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8. Homeopathy Pseudoscience at the HuffPo
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