Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

NY Times: "Free Market Justice."

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Justice Donate to DU
 
muntrv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-08-07 09:06 PM
Original message
NY Times: "Free Market Justice."
Why private lawyers do better than public defenders?

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/08/opinion/08hoffman.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&th&emc=th

I wonder if John Stossel is gonna use this to bolster his "business good/government bad" theorem?
Refresh | 0 Recommendations Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
charlyvi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-08-07 09:16 PM
Response to Original message
1. It boggles my mind
that free marketers think that business, who's highest ethical goal is to make a profit, should be trusted with the public welfare more than government, whose members are elected by said people. What CEOs do we elect? How do we impeach them? It's crazy.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
BayCityProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-08-07 09:19 PM
Response to Reply #1
3. gag
Free Market Justice!??! That's a joke! We need to follow Venezuela's model and nationalize half of these shitty companies so that they work on behalf of the public.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-08-07 09:21 PM
Response to Reply #1
4. It's further mind-boggling to deal with people who think that
a for-profit system is ever going to have inherent cost advantages over a system that doesn't have to build a profit into its cost equation.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
BayCityProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-08-07 09:23 PM
Response to Reply #4
5. exactly
I am a total commie and that is why. We would get so much more done if we cut out the profit margin. Also, we could focus on preventitive medicine rather than treating symptoms, this would cause a drastic cut in healthcare costs. society should be run for the total benefit of the people in society. Not a few parasites who cheat their way to the top.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
BlueStateModerate Donating Member (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-08-07 09:24 PM
Response to Reply #4
6. Incentive
Edited on Mon Jan-08-07 09:26 PM by BlueStateModerate
It makes all the difference. Capitalism works, and like or not, it often weeds out inefficiencies.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
BayCityProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-08-07 09:28 PM
Response to Reply #6
7. There are plenty of examples
of socialist programs working in Europe, Cuba, Latin America, and right here in the US and even Canada. Did you know that many of the things Democrats have passed were proposals of the Communist and Socialist parties in the US? Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, Community-Trust Housing, Single Payer Healthcare, unemployment insurance, credit unions ect ect were all once considered very radical and were socialist ideas.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-08-07 09:31 PM
Response to Reply #6
8. Assuming that greed is the only incentive.
Funny how many co-ops & the like have succeeded in the capitalist world over the years until the capitalists get laws passed to put them out of business. The banks whine a lot about credit unions, for example, saying the CUs, with their lower loan rates & higher dividend rates, are unfair because they don't have to make a profit.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
charlyvi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-08-07 09:35 PM
Response to Reply #6
9. At what cost? And I don't mean money.
Capitalism is okay, really. But some folks have elevated it to a religion. The market is good at many things, but it cannot solve everything. Government is good at other things. Each has it's function.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
BlueStateModerate Donating Member (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-08-07 10:04 PM
Response to Reply #9
10. Absolutely
The government is there to perform necessary functions for which there is no profit. Generally, capitalism does a better job when there's profit available.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-08-07 09:18 PM
Response to Original message
2. Wow. Thanks for posting this.
It has a lot of personal significance for me. I'm a psychologist & I do a LOT of criminal forensic work, most of it for public defenders.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Sun Dec 22nd 2024, 08:01 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Justice Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC