Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Neighborhood threatens speeders with paintball guns

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Justice Donate to DU
 
steven johnson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 04:14 PM
Original message
Neighborhood threatens speeders with paintball guns
Vigilante justice soynds cute but the police are taking a dim view of paintball highway justice for speeding.


Signs posted in Durham's Duke Park, N.C, community warned drivers the speed limit will be "enforced by angry neighbors with paintball guns."
"I love the sign," boasted Angelo Abbate, who has lived in the area for more than 30 years. "Traffic moves very rapidly through here. The speed limit is supposed to be 25 . It ends up being more like 45 and some people even go faster than that."

"While we are concerned about speeding in neighborhoods, the Police Department believes that these signs are inappropriate and potentially dangerous," the statement said. "We fear that these signs could be a distraction to even the most law-abiding motorists and possibly cause collisions."

The Durham Police Department says anyone who shoots paintballs at cars could be subject to civil and criminal sanctions. By law, even if a driver feels reasonably threatened, charges could be filed against the person who posted the signs.

Signs threaten speeders with paintball guns
Refresh | +1 Recommendations Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 04:17 PM
Response to Original message
1. Perhaps....
shooting at people traveling at twice the speed limit is not the ideal recipe for increasing traffic safety....


:hide:
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 04:40 PM
Response to Reply #1
6. Perhaps it's just a joke...
Like the Beware of Attack Puppy signs

My favorite was at a Garage sale... Early Birds will be shot on sight!


Have any cars actually been shot at? :shrug:
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 04:21 PM
Response to Original message
2. Our country is insane.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
enlightenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 04:23 PM
Response to Original message
3. Perhaps they should apply to have a
traffic 'calmer' (speed bump) or two installed on the street rather than resorting to assault. We also live on a residential road that has become a thoroughfare and it is annoying . . . but shooting paintballs? Not so much.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
ejpoeta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 04:46 PM
Response to Reply #3
7. i'm going to bet that they have tried to get someone to do something but are getting nowhere.
this is the kind of thing people do when they aren't getting any help from anyone.... like the police. i'm not saying they should be shooting at them with paintballs or anything else, but i can see why they would resort to this kind of stuff if no one is doing anything about speeding. what does it take.... usually some dead people.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
ManiacJoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 10:52 PM
Response to Reply #3
8. According to the article,
a rotary and speed bumps were installed to no effect.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
enlightenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 11:04 PM
Response to Reply #8
9. And that's what I get for not reading it . . .
*bad me - smacks self - scuttles away in embarrassment . . .*
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 11:42 PM
Response to Reply #3
10. Speed Bumps are dangerous and should be banned
Edited on Tue Aug-18-09 11:45 PM by happyslug
There are other, safer and more effective ways to slow down traffic. The most effective is a rubber cone on the yellow strip telling people to slow down (or with a sign with the speed limit on it). Being in the middle of the road people are afraid of hitting it so drivers slow down naturally. If they hit the rubber cone the chance of doing any damage to their car, any other property, or even people are very slim. Thus cones have the advantage of being effective in slowing people down WITHOUT the danger inherent in a speed bump. Furthermore because the cone is TALLER then a Speed Bump it is easier and quicker for most people to see (People do NOT tend to drive up to it and "discover" the existence of the cone as their car is reacting to the cone, as opposed to a speed bump which I have hit at the speed limit BEFORE I even realized it was there).

The problems with cones is they will be hit AND then someone has to put them back in place. Generally a member of the neighbor can do that, if the local authorities permit them. In most cases the Local Government wants to control such highway markers and thus prefer Speed bumps to cones for then the government controls the bump and need NOT have to send someone over to review and reset the cone every so many days.

A second problem is many local government (and police officers) rely on traffic tickets as a source of revenue. No Tickets, there is a revenue shortage. Thus a lot of local government want TICKETS given, even if cones will slow down more traffic. Remember Police giving out tickets is a form of MONEY for the local government, while sending someone out to re-set cones every so often is an expenditure of Money.

Speed bumps quickly become unpopular with the locals do to the rough ride they give to people. Local Government know this so often set up Speed Bumps knowing that in about 4-5 years the locals will want the bump OUT, even in areas where speeding is a problem. Thus the local Government like Speed Bumps, they tend NOT to be permanent solutions. On the other hand Cones tend to be popular with the locals. Locals do slow down for cones, but if they miss them (Which occurs rarer then with speed bumps) the affect is no harm to their car and no harm to anyone else. People want to avoid cones 4-5 years later, but do NOT push to have them removed do to the fact the cones are NOT causing them any problems when they drive by the cone (Unlike driving over the bump which can be rough on occupants of the Car).

Just comments about speed bumps, cones are more effective and easy to put back if hit. Cones are the most cost effective speed calming device known. They are cheap (about $100 dollars) take a lot of punishment (can be hit 100s of time and then just set back up) and are effective at slowing down traffic (People slow down to avoid them).

Effective speed calming design contains two elements, first the APPEARANCE that something is unsafe. This appearance is what causes people to slow down. People will travel at the speed they believe is the safe speed for the road they are on, even if that speed is above the posted speed limit (Thus why tickets are such a steady source of income to local government). A good Traffic Calming system gives the appearance of being unsafe but then fulfill the second requirement of being safe. One of the favorite mechanism is extending sidewalks out to the edge of the street. Drivers see the curb and fearing hitting it slow down. Thus in older business districts where you have on street parking, traffic calming involves making the sidewalks at any intersections to include the parking spaces along the road. i.e. the parking spaces end up not only along the sidewalk BUT also between sidewalks in that the sidewalks at the intersections extends past the parking space area right to the edge of the travel lanes of traffic.

Here is a picture of what I mean:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_calming

Note the sidewalk extends out to the street BEYOND the parking spaces. This has the effect of giving drivers the road is narrower then it is and do to that affect drivers naturally slow down. The key to any traffic Calming technique is first to make sure the road is SAFE but also to give the appear acne it is NOT. The later slows down people, the former keeps the road safe. Extended sidewalks are safe for if a car hits them, the drivers know it, but rarely is anyone hurt by hitting the curb. Thus it fulfills BOTH requirements, of being safe AND appearing unsafe. The later makes people slow down. Cones are extremely effective at BOTH, it makes the road look unsafe for drivers are afraid of hitting the cone, but hitting the cone causes minimal damage. More effective then the threat of paint ball. The best solution is getting an engineer to design a proper traffic calming road system but as I said above a lot of local Government want money from tickets more then they want traffic to slow down.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
enlightenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 12:44 AM
Response to Reply #10
11. Interesting information.
Thank you.

They use that 'sticking out in the road' method of narrowing a lot in London - also sticking concrete medians in various places to narrow the road a bit. People still drive like maniacs, but you do stand a better chance of making it across the street in one piece.

Given that I live next to a street that is rapidly becoming a speedway, I'd love to see some alternatives in place . . . just not paintballs!
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 04:28 PM
Response to Original message
4. We've had several people hit and killed by speeders using our main drag as a commuting shortcut.
I don't agree with this particular solution, but I sure feel for this neighborhood.

Perhaps it's time for the police to do their job, instead?
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Jeep789 Donating Member (935 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 04:34 PM
Response to Original message
5. Yet guns at public gatherings are fine?
It must be me. :freak:
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Sun Dec 22nd 2024, 04:38 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Justice Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC