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Crewleader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 12:37 PM
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More Americans keep working into the nineties
this just in from Frank's e-mail

More Americans keep working into the nineties

The number of older workers is likely to keep rising in the US as Americans are living longer and finding it a struggle to make ends meet in their retirement

By JOHN CHRISTOFFERSEN
AP, STAMFORD, Connecticut
Sunday, Aug 19, 2007, Page 9


At 92, Pete Perillo still has a workday routine. He says a prayer and then heads off in uniform to guard the city courthouse.

"In the morning, I talk to St. Anthony and I come in," Perillo said. "I come in every day. ... These people, they keep me alive."

Perillo works as a judicial marshal in Stamford Superior Court's civil division. He carries no gun.

He is one of a growing number of people for whom retirement age has lost its meaning. They are staying on the job longer and longer past that point -- some for personal satisfaction, others out of necessity.

Some are even working away into their 90s and beyond: In Maryland, Grace Wiles, 97, works about 25 hours per week at a shoe repair store. In Nebraska, 98-year-old Sally Gordon is the legislature's assistant sergeant at arms.

They are all younger than Waldo McBurney, a 104-year-old beekeeper from Kansas who was recently declared the US' oldest worker.

About 6.4 percent of Americans 75 or older, or slightly more than 1 million, were working last year. That is up from 4.7 percent, or 634,000, a decade earlier, according to the US Department of Labor.

About 3.4 percent of Americans 80 or older, or 318,000, were in the work force last year, up from 2.7 percent or 188,000 a decade earlier, officials said.

"For the first time in history, four generations are working together," said Melanie Holmes, vice president of corporate affairs for Manpower Inc, an employment services company.

With the first wave of Baby Boomers reaching the traditional retirement age, Manpower has urged companies to start thinking about ways to retain and recruit older workers, through flexible scheduling for example. This will help them fill positions as the labor pool shrinks.

According to Holmes, companies need to extend their diversity training to include age as well as race and gender. Older workers often bring experience and a strong work ethic, but may have a different style of work: They may be better at face-to-face contact than electronic communications, and may adhere more strictly to company rules, Manpower officials said.

Some companies are reluctant to hire older workers. A survey last year by Manpower found that 24 percent of employers viewed expectations for higher salary or stature as one of the top roadblocks to hiring older workers, while 21 percent cited health care costs.

Still, after decades of decline, the number of workers 55 and older began to rise about a decade ago and that trend has accelerated since 2000, labor officials said.

Experts cite several factors for the growth, including people living longer and the Senior Citizens Freedom to Work Act in 2000, which allowed workers 65 through 69 to earn as much money as they want without losing Social Security benefits. Other reasons include the gradual increase in the age for receiving Social Security benefits to 67 and a decline in traditional pensions and retiree health benefits.

The number of older workers is likely to continue to rise as Americans live longer and are unable to make ends meet on Social Security state pensions and savings in company-sponsored retirement plans, said Alicia Munnell, director of the Center for Retirement Research at Boston College.

"It's a concern to me they will end up having to," Munnell said.

Irene Olsen, 95, works 20 hours a week at a senior center in Milford, Connecticut, to pay for rising taxes and utilities.

Otherwise, she says, she could not stay in her house.

Olsen, who used to run a hat shop in Milford, now oversees the travel department at the senior center. She spoke out recently against a property revaluation.

"They doubled the value of my house, which doubles my taxes," Olsen said. "That's why I work. I can't live on my Social Security and own a house."

Olsen, whose husband died about 20 years ago, drives to work but worries she will lose her license because of her age if she has an accident. But she doesn't mind working and goes on the trips she coordinates.

"It seems normal to me," she said. "I've worked all my life."

She is not out of place at the senior center. The tap dance instructor is 90, while, at 95, Art White directs the band and runs the bowling league.

"I found him in his office standing on a stool fixing something," said Mary Steinmetz, the center's program director. "He doesn't know why we buy new things when things can be fixed. He always thinks there's a little more life left in everything."

White was not available to talk. He was out of town line dancing.

Steinmetz says the older workers are part of a generation that believes in hard work. They also want to remain independent, especially White, who is a retired engineer.

"He's just a real Yankee, fiercely independent, hard working," Steinmetz said. "Doesn't know why the weather keeps anyone from doing anything."

Gordon, the assistant sergeant at arms in Nebraska, said she works both because she enjoys it and because it pays the bills.

"I like to meet the public," she said. "My house needs a lot of work. Everything is expensive. Medication is out of sight. I don't want to rely on anyone else."

Perillo, who has worked as a marshal since 1978, has been talking about retiring for the past decade.

"I don't think he ever will," chief marshal Victor Corley said.
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 12:42 PM
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1. The economy sure is strong! Th dollar is the best there is!
More people can retire early because of it!

:puke:
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 12:42 PM
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2. Meanwhile, workers in their 50s are deemed too old and shabby
and making the place look rundown and are starting to cost more than training a 20 something, so they're routinely eased out or thrown out.

While I am glad these folks still have work they can find meaning in, I have to say that many more of us face age discrimination they apparently didn't.

In other words, don't hold up older workers as role models while you're throwing younger workers out in the cold for being to old. You can't have it both ways, US work ethic.
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Nay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 01:02 PM
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3. More 'wonderful world of work' propaganda. You'll notice that none
of these jobs are the high-paying, high-flying variety -- you can be sure, as Warpy said, that 'oldsters' in their 50's are getting pushed out of decent-paying jobs willy-nilly. Try getting a decent job after you've been let go in your 50's or 60's.

I've noticed a proliferation of these types of stories in the past five years, so I consult my inner instincts and ask why. Well, they're getting us used to the idea that we have to work until we drop, that's one reason why. Also, they're reinforcing the idea that "fiercely independent, hard-working" mean s working forever, and the idea of retirement, going off to enjoy what little life you have left, etc., is SELFISH and indicative of a WEAK and DEPENDENT personality. You don't want to be seen as WEAK or DEPENDENT, do you?? Of course not!

The propaganda couldn't be more blatant or more insulting. You, the normal middle-class jerk, deserve to work until you drop because you were too "stupid" to save a million dollars in a bank account, while the Chainsaw-Al CEOs are all in the papers pursuing their exotic hobbies, travel, and so on, after they get their golden parachutes at age 45. I have no idea why heads aren't rolling in the bloody streets this very moment.
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Crewleader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 01:38 PM
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4. Nay, warpy and sakabatou
you are saying it like it is...acceptance of this is like the mind set that created the housing bubble, real estate always goes up. Selling their propaganda with our seniors are strong, living and working longer right into their nineties not because they have to, but because they can.
It's almost as shameful has the system of nursing home care this country has to offer seniors in need.
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deadmessengers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 10:24 PM
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5. I used to work with a 93-year old.
I was 17 at the time, working in a grocery store. In his words, this guy worked not because he needed the money, but because he "couldn't stand watching TV anymore". He was a pretty interesting guy - used to tell us all stories about "the war" - he served in Belgium during WW1.
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Crewleader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 10:55 PM
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6. God Bless that 93 year old man for wanting to work...
I know many who are like him and it was wonderful for you deadmessengers to enjoy his knowledge and experience of life.
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deadmessengers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 11:59 AM
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7. Oh yeah, it was a great experience
A bunch of us used to hang out back by the loading dock after work with a couple of six-packs (those were different times, then), and listen to Mr. Philippelli (he and the store manager were the only 2 people we referred to by their last name) tell his stories. Of course, most of his WW1 stories involved hookers & bar fights in Amsterdam, Brussels, and Paris :)

One thing I remember about Mr. Philippelli - most of what he did around the store was to help people load their groceries into their cars. He got a BIG laugh out of seeing people half his age call on him for help, and he was damn proud that at his age he was still in the kind of shape where he could still do it.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 11:16 PM
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8. Neither of my parents are able to retire and who knows if I'll be able to either.
Edited on Tue Sep-11-07 11:17 PM by AZBlue
That's why my top issue in '08 is senior care, social security and healthcare for all. It's very hard to see what they have to go through and feel so helpless. At least I can lobby for the government to help. That's actually why I wandered over to this forum - I wasn't sure what it was about but thought I might find resources, etc for them. Hope you don't mind a non-senior post - I'm not that young and in a few years I'll be eligible for the senior rate at movie theatres too! :D
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Crewleader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 09:35 AM
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9. Welcome AZBlue
You and all DUers' are very welcome to post...
and Good for all of us your involvement in helping, thank you!

By numbers here may make us Seniors but we strive to keep young at heart friend.

My best to your parents...:hi:
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 01:12 PM
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10. I'm 68 and still working full time.
But it's an easy job. I sit in front of a computer all day.
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Crewleader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 11:03 AM
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11. Sounds like you enjoy it, RebelOne
glad it's easy for you. :hi:
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liberal hypnotist Donating Member (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 03:36 PM
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12. I'm retiring at 75!
If I can think of a way to make enough money before than.
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