'Bizarre' lightning strike to be studied

[emad]

Art Thomason
The Arizona Republic
Aug. 11, 2005 12:00 AM

A top National Weather Service expert in Phoenix will investigate a powerful lightning strike that "sounded like dynamite exploding," damaging 13 homes in central Mesa on Tuesday afternoon.

"This is beyond the norm," meteorologist David Runyan said. "It's bizarre. It intrigues us. We will seek some means to understand it a little more."

The lightning bolt drawing all the attention caused extensive damage to a home in the 2000 block of East Seventh Avenue, near Broadway and Gilbert roads, as its charge sped to other structures through underground wiring and wet soil. advertisement

Mesa firefighters, who have seen the aftermath of other lightning strikes over the years, said they have never witnessed anything like the effects of the Seventh Avenue strike. They believe the strike, recorded at 4:45 p.m., first hit the home, owned by Al Ogawa and Richard McTevia, and spread its powerful charge underground.
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0811weather-lightning.html

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[emad]

2. Thanks very much.

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[beam me up scottie]

3. Check out a chem trail theory by Rense?

Note - It is not out of the question that chemtrail spraying and the resulting increased levels of metals in the atmosphere such as barium and aluminum are involved in these kinds of extreme displays. These sprayed aerosols are said by chemtrail researcher Clifforn Carnicom to turn the lower atmosphere into a 'static plasma' state that might be used electromagnetically by HAARP and similar technologies for many projects and applications. Natural lightning storms may feed off this rich 'plasma' medium and intensify accordingly. --Jeff Rense

Give me a break.

I think I'll wait for the scientists to weigh in.

On Wednesday, Runyan, of the Weather Service, said he would visit the site after Randall Cerveny, an assistant professor of meteorology at Arizona State University, indicated it could have been hit by a positive strike, which is extremely rare and powerful.

Scientists say positive strikes deliver much more voltage than the negative bolts that occur 90 to 95 percent of the time in storms across the country.

Positive strikes also tend to spread their potent charge over a larger area.

"They tend to be much more powerful," Cerveny said. "We don't know much about them because they are so rare."

[salvorhardin]

4. Static plasma?

I'm pretty sure that's a physical oxymoron.

Ah, but I see Rense has managed to bring together chemtrails and HAARP. Now if he can only connect ESP to the other two he'll have found the holy grail of alties. The Grand Unified Woo Woo theory.

[beam me up scottie]

5. TGUWWT !

I love it !
They could open an office at the UN.
:evilgrin:

[carlvs]

20. I wonder...

if anyone viewing the storm from a distance saw anything unusual above the clouds like the phenomena mentioned here. If any observations of these forms of lightning related to this storm turn up (because of the briefness of these events, this may be unlikely - but you never know,) then its almost sure that this strike was caused by a positive bolt (since there tends to be a correlation between the two.)

[Pepperbelly]

7. those are some GREAT photos in your link...

dramatic and impressive.

Very cool.

[sakabatou]

22. Holy crap... look at the last one!

[Pepperbelly]

6. damn!

Traveled underground through cable to damage the other homes! I remember my mom telling me of an incident back in the 30s when she and her brothers were listening to the radio during a thunderstorm and lightning stuck the antenna they had rigged up outside, came down the cable and blew up the radio.

Knocked her and her siblings unconscious.

Lightning is a scary thing. A friend of mine has experimented with it with an eye toward using its force to accomplish things not readily accomplished without massive power. Some of the experiments were successful, some were not. As it turned out, it was a hit or miss type thing. :D

[dwckabal]

8. Wait a minute...

I thought lightning was dying in Phoenix!

MILITARY CHAFF MAY BE KILLING VALLEY LIGHTNING
FIBERS SHORT OUT BOLTS, EXPERTS SAY

Hair-thin fibers released by military jets to evade radar during aerial war games in southern Arizona may be shorting out spectacular monsoon lightning over Phoenix.

from the above article:

One thing is sure, the scientist agreed. Arizona's recent monsoon storms have produced far more lightning strikes than normal.

Interesting...

[beam me up scottie]

9. I remember reading the same thing.

Weren't some natives on DU concerned about the absence of lightning in Arizona?

[Desertrose]

10. Well I guess things can change...seems to be coming back.

pretty strong this year.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=228&topic_id=10717&mesg_id=10717

Tucson research meteorologist Robert Maddox, whose research is ongoing, published a study in 1997, and his
colleagues documented 11 potent Valley summer storms from 1995 to 1998 that produced no lightning.

"I think he makes a pretty good case that it is indeed chaff that is causing
the lack of lightning for certain days here in Phoenix," said Randy Cerveny, a geography professor at Arizona State University who specializes in storm
meteorology and Arizona monsoons.

Guess this year is different. I've certainly noticed this week especially, we have had some incredible lightening ( it fried my VCR!)

One thing is sure, the scientist agreed. Arizona's recent monsoon storms have produced far more lightning strikes than normal.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0811weather-lightning.html

Note that it is the same scientist who commented in both articles. Randall Cerveny, an assistant professor of meteorology at Arizona State University.

[Pepperbelly]

11. Good catch.

I slept through that part.

:D

[beam me up scottie]

12. So the current chem trails are not

from the chaff?
Or are the chem trails themselves gone?

edited to cite post from linked thread:

from the report, looks like they are planning to use even more....

"The continuous stream technique, called saturation chaff, may be used
by aircraft to cover a large area. By 2005 or 2006, the Army also
plans to use saturation chaff to mask vehicle and troop movements."

Hmmmmmm....

[Pepperbelly]

13. why hijack a good thread with this?

This is neither the forum or the thread for baiting and bullshit. Why not post something actually cogent to the thread at hand?

Just curious?

[beam me up scottie]

15. It is a legitimate question

regarding the overabundance of lightning this year and whether or not the chaff had something to do with it and it directly ties in to the thread she referenced.

And you're not curious, you're accusing me of baiting and I don't appreciate it.

[Pepperbelly]

17. an attempt to hijack ...

and that's all I have to say about that.

[beam me up scottie]

18. That's all? That is the best news I've heard today.

Thanks!

[Desertrose]

14. Now why even bring that up?

Not the forum for that discussion, remember?

[beam me up scottie]

16. You posted the link to that thread,

I didn't.

[Desertrose]

19. That's not what that thread was about

so there is no need to take this thread off topic.

There are many links you can google if you are really interested in the subject. :)

[beam me up scottie]

21. Well if you didn't want to answer it

you should have just said so.

I have plenty of scientific resources, I was asking for your opinion, since none of their sites had any information linking chaff to lightening.