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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 09:50 AM
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Do fuel vaporizers, or vapor fuel systems, to replace carburetor, work?
Now it is said that the laws of physics dictate how much energy is contained in a gallon of gas and a 200/mpg non-hybrid is impossible to achieve in any vehicle safe enough to take out on the nation's roads, despite the press release back in 1932 for the Charles Nelson Pogue fuel vaporizers/vapor fuel system that was tested by Ford Motor Company and Winnepeg Motor Company of Canada, US Patent #2,026,798 (and others). The raw gasoline was first heated, then introduced into the engine in a warm gaseous form (sophisticated absorptive surfaces, lines and tanks were required).

This June 2005,Vapor Systems Technology Inc. of Spring Valley, California - an "R&D company" for fuel economy through fuel vaporizers, or vapor fuel system put out this PR release...Distribution Source : PRWeb - Date : Sunday, June 12, 2005(PRWEB) June 12, 2005 -- Vapor Systems Technology Inc. (http://fuelvapors.com) of Spring Valley, California is an R&D company involved in projects that deal with increasing gas mileage and fuel economy through the use of gas saving fuel systems, also known as fuel vaporizers, or vapor fuel systems. President David Steckling, is an ASE-Certified Automobile and Heavy Truck Master Technician, was a California state smog inspector for nearly 20 years, and is now a technical editor at the leading automobile repair information company in the world. He brings over 25 years of experience in the industry. On top of that, he is a college graduate in Computer Science.

For more information, visit our website: http://fuelvapors.com
http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/srchnum.htm
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Now Patent searching is fun - put 4,177,779 into the search window field. Click the search button, and it will take you right to all the information on a given system.

Also http://www.sjvls.org/bens/bf012fc.htm the San Joaquin Valley Information Service has the 1934 patent drawings for one of the tens of thousands of the various models of the Fish Carburetor (a variation on Progue) that were eventually manufactured, said to achieve 20% percent better gas mileage and 30% more horsepower when mounted on many different engines.
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And of course the popular literature:

April 1935 Scientific American, page 206
Doubling gas mileage

January 1952 Popular Science, page 116
This American car will get
35 miles per gallon.


January 1968 Mechanix Illustrated,
pages 62 - 63
Expect to see this
carburetor on Detroit cars
in less than 3 years.
October 1969 Mechanix Illustrated,
page 77
Small General Motors car
goes 70 miles per gallon of
gas . . . not for sale.


July 10-74 Mechanix Illustrated
pages 46 - 47
60 - 100 miles per gallon
carburetor.


December 1974 Car and Driver,
pages 31-33+
When is a carburetor not a
carburetor ?
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So is there a technology out there for the oil crisis besides plug-in hybrids?
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 10:00 AM
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1. No
Edited on Sat Aug-20-05 10:06 AM by MindPilot
http://www.snopes.com/autos/business/carburetor.asp

I'm also an ASE certified Master with 20 years experience and as I've told people for at least two decades "If I had a nickle for everyone of these stories I've heard, I'd be retired for a long time."

Don't you think that if the manufacturers could get 300 mpg cars out there they would? It's certainly possible to build a car with that mileage, but it will probably have a tough time time doing other things we like our cars to do; like start on a cold morning or run for several thousand miles with no maintenance. It's all a compromise.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 10:14 AM
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2. Thanks for the info - cold starting is a must in Boston :-)
:-)
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mahatmakanejeeves Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 10:18 AM
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3. Not to mention....
So, how many carbureted cars are being built these days? Even some motorcycles are equipped with fuel injection.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-22-05 08:22 AM
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4. What's a carburetor?
Edited on Mon Aug-22-05 08:26 AM by Tesha
What's a carburetor? Didn't they used to put those on cars about
a million years ago BFI (Before Fuel Injection)?

Seriously, to answer your question, gasoline *IS* vaporized before it
is burned in the engine. In carburetors, it was vaporized on its way
through the intake manifold (yes, cooling the inlet gas a teeny tiny
smidgen). In fuel injected engines, most have the injectors mounted
so as to spray on the intake valves and the intake valves are quite
hot, so the gasoline rapidly flashes into vapor *AND* performs the
useful service of removing a little waste heat from the valves.

The "fuel vaprizer" thing is bullshit, pure and simple.

Sadi Carnot quite a while ago described the ultimate limits on
heat engine efficiency, and no power in the universe is going to
affect those limits.

Tesha
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