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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 08:06 PM
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Linguists 'have different brains' (BBC)
Gifted linguists could have a different brain shape and structure from those of other people, a study suggests.

Neuroscientists at University College London say they have more "white brain matter" in a part of the brain which processes sound.
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Some of the fastest learners were able to tell these {sounds} apart within a few minutes, while the slowest learners were only able to make random guesses at the less difficult stage after 20 minutes of training.
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In faster learners, brain scans showed a greater volume of white matter in the left auditory region known as Heschl's gyrus, where sound is processed.
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Heschl's gyrus in slower and faster language learners (copyright Dr N Golestani)
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/education/4883418.stm

My Heschl's gyrus always felt inadequate to me...now I know.

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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 08:10 PM
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1. Mine must be big. I'm also a musician. Does that corrrelate too?
Or is this just a hoax?
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 08:28 PM
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3. mine is bigger than yours
Heschl's gyrus that is to say : I speak fluently 2 languages besides my own and understand 2 others...
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 03:14 PM
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7. Me too.
Edited on Sun Apr-09-06 03:15 PM by JDPriestly
So we're even steven.
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-10-06 07:03 AM
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8. Music & Language centers
Edited on Mon Apr-10-06 07:05 AM by mzteris
Finding a larger left planum temporale in musicians and those with perfect pitch was somewhat surprising for brain researchers. Their earlier studies had shown that the right side of the auditory cortex-the collection of brain cells above the right ear-was the crucial area for perceiving pitch, melody, harmony, timbre and rhythm.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/research/1282206.html?page=2&c=y

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In the most recent study (Patterson et al., 2002), they showed that the antero-lateral part of Heschl’s gyrus is particularly sensitive to the contrast between RI sounds and noise, and they concluded that this region was concerned with the extraction of pitch information from representations created in sub-cortical structures. They also inverted the contrast to try and identify regions where noise produced more activation than tonal sounds and, intriguingly, found none whatsoever, anywhere in the auditory pathway. The importance of lateral Heschl’s gyrus in pitch processing has also been emphasized by Gutschalk et al. (Gutschalk et al., 2002) who contrasted the MEG responses to regular and irregular click trains (CTs) with varying sound levels. They found a double dissociation involving a source in lateral Heschl’s gyrus that was sensitive to CT regularity but not to CT level and a source in PT that was sensitive to CT level but not to CT regularity.
http://cercor.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/13/7/765


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Broca's region: is located in the frontal lobe, and, for most people, the left hemisphere (some left-handers have this area in the right hemisphere). Originally thought to be "the" speech center, it is now understood that a number of regions of the brain are involved in language behavior. More recently, Broca's area has been implicated in music processing, leading some researchers to suggest music may be processed as a language. Imaging studies have revealed that professional musicians trained at an early age have an increased volume of gray matter in Broca's area. Broca's area is part of a language and music processing network that includes Wernicke's area, the superior temporal sulcus, Heschl's gyrus, planum polare, planum temporale, and the anterior superior insular cortices.


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Language is a very important and complex function in humans, and unsurprisingly it involves a number of brain regions. The most famous is Broca's area. Recent research into neurological aspects of music have held some surprises. Imaging studies have revealed that, while the same area (the planum temporale) was active in all subjects listening to music, in non-musicians it was the right planum temporale that was most active, while in musicians the left side dominated. The left planum temporale is thought to control language processing. It has been suggested that musicians process music as a language. This left-brain activity was most pronounced in people who had started musical training at an early age (August 2001 news report).

Moreover, several studies have now demonstrated that there are significant differences in the distribution of gray matter in the brain between professional musicians trained at an early age and non-musicians. In particular, musicians have an increased volume of gray matter in Broca's area. The extent of this increase appears to depend on the number of years devoted to musical training. There also appears to be a very significant increase in the amount of gray matter in the part of the auditory cortex called the Heschl's gyrus (also involved in the categorical perception of speech sounds). (see news reports for October 2002 , June 2002 , May 2001)

An imaging study1 investigating the neural correlates of music processing found that " unexpected musical events" activated the areas of Broca and Wernicke, the superior temporal sulcus, Heschl's gyrus, both planum polare and planum temporale, as well as the anterior superior insular cortices. The important thing about this is that, while some of those regions were already known to be involved in music processing, the cortical network comprising all these structures has up to now been thought to be domain-specific for language processing.


-MORE- http://www.memory-key.com/Language/music.htm#Broca


edit: Note: location: Heschl's gyrus n. A small gyrus running transversely across the superior temporal gyrus (temporal operculum) on the upper surface of each temporal lobe immediately in front of the planum temporale. It is occupied by the primary auditory cortex and arranged in ...

(I was trying to find an image, but so far no luck.....)
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madaboutharry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 08:12 PM
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2. well that explains my grades in French!!
lol.
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 08:31 PM
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4. GW has no Heschl's gyrus, hence language "skills"... nt
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benddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 08:43 PM
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5. also a limited
amount of white matter. His hypocampus is probably pea sized too.
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realisticphish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 08:56 PM
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6. Interesting
and might explain why i've had a hard time learning audial languages, but have picked up American Sign Language pretty easily
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-10-06 08:55 AM
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9. Heschl's gyrus and musicians
Here's another link:

Monday, 17 June, 2002, 10:20 GMT 11:20 UK
Musicians have 'more grey matter'

". . .Neurologists played tones of varying frequencies to professional musicians, amateur musicians and non-musicians, and then recorded their brain responses.

The part of the brain they were looking at is a region called Heschl's gyrus. This structure - buried within the auditory cortex - is the region of the brain that responds to sound. The researchers found that professional musicians showed greater responses to the tones than non-musicians. Amateurs were somewhere in between.

They then used brain imaging techniques to measure the size of Heschl's gyrus and found it was larger in professional musicians. They had 130% more grey matter in the part of the brain that makes sense of music compared with people who were not musical.

According to research leader Dr Peter Schneider, how much we have of this type of brain cell is fixed from birth. So there must be a strong inheritable component. . ."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2044646.stm


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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 02:16 PM
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12. It doesn't seem unreasonable that music and low-level
phonetic perception would be processed in the same places.

After all, the difference between a plain and retroflex 'd' is in the frequency ranges where acoustic energy is concentrated. The retroflex has some formants depressed.

I had trouble teaching 1st year Russian to some students: Russian has pairs of consonants, some plain (e.g., t), some palatalized (often transcribed as t'). There are a few differences between them. Sometimes you can say "pronounce a 'y' at the same time'; but that doesn't get them to hear the difference. So you present the pairs until they 'get it'. Some didn't. I tried to explain that one thing you listen for is a pitch difference between t and t', s and s', r and r'. It helped a couple of kids, but mostly they found the idea of 't' having a perceivable pitch center ludicrous. (A tenured phonetician found the proposition similarly ludicrous ... how she got tenure when she had a tin ear and no spectrogram reading skills, I'll never know.)
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-10-06 04:01 PM
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10. I dated a cunning linguist once...
she certainly was different.
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mainegreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 10:45 AM
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11. ouch
:spank:
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