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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 08:17 AM
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Language of Prairie Dogs Includes Words for Humans
Old news (06 December 2004) but new to me. Language and linguistics has been a hobby of mine for decades.

ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. (AP) _ Prairie dogs, those little pups popping in and out of holes on vacant lots and rural rangeland, are talking up a storm. They have different "words" for tall human in yellow shirt, short human in green shirt, coyote, deer, red-tailed hawk and many other creatures.

They can even coin new terms for things they've never seen before, independently coming up with the same calls or words, according to Con Slobodchikoff, a Northern Arizona University biology professor and prairie dog linguist.

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Linguists have set five criteria that must be met for something to qualify as language: It must contain words with abstract meanings; possess syntax in which the order of words is part of their meaning; have the ability to coin new words; be composed of smaller elements; and use words separated in space and time from what they represent.

"I've been chipping away at all of these," Slobodchikoff said.


The full article can be read at http://www.livescience.com/animalworld/prairie_dogs_041206.html
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 08:18 AM
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1. I saw prairie dogs for the first time in Montana last year.
Aren't they the dearest little things? :-)
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 08:26 AM
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5. Some people try to turn them into pets
which is a very bad idea. Oh, it's great for the humans, but prairie dogs are an intensely social species and don't translate that very well to a human "family."

It's better to leave them where they are with their kinfolks.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 08:45 AM
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8. I saw a news program about that once.
Edited on Wed Apr-26-06 08:48 AM by raccoon
Some people took a large hose and actually SUCKED the prairie dogs out of their burrows, then sold them as pets.

I don't think my cat and a prairie dog would get along too well.

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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 08:56 AM
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10. It is not very good for the humans, either
Wild animals are carriers for a lot of diseases and parasites. Rodents like prairie dogs can carry salmonella, hantavirus and pinworms; ticks and fleas on the rodents can carry bubonic plague (yes, that is still around and still occurs) and Lyme Disease, and that is just for starters.

Generally speaking, any wild animal should be left in the wild.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 09:06 PM
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14. Excellent advice. n/t
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 08:19 AM
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2. fascinating, thank for posting n/t
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 08:24 AM
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3. Wow, doesn't this screw up those old notions even further?
Turns out animals ARE a lot smarter than some people think!

I remember reading a great book in school, eons ago, about those prarie dogs. They were sort of popular in the 50s and 60s. Then, people started calling them varmints and wanting to gas them because they wanted to put in subdivisions....
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:00 AM
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16. I have simply never doubted that mammals
other than humans communicate distinct ideas to each other. This only proves that they may well have an actual language structure for doing do, one recognized by other members of their species.

That the research indicates that prairie dogs do this- "tall person in red shirt", and so on- also indicates they have some rudimentary intelligence.

It would do well for us to remember that these are rodents, and much much further away from us genetically than, for example, dolphins or chimpanzees. Given the research already performed regarding the latter two mammals, this discovery regarding prairie dogs should come as no surprise.

I should note that household dogs and cats still hold some very dim remnant of their wild ancestry, and they do react instinctively to threats even before we dumb humans are aware of them- and us, with our 'smarter' brains. Animals go nuts, for example, some time before an earthquake, and household pets are well known for reacting negatively to people who mean harm, even before they indicate they intend harm.

Also, how many times have we asked ourselves if we just saw that dog smiling, or that cat grinning? Short anecdote: one day, I sat down at my PC, and my cat jumped up onto my desk and laid down. I greeted him and scratched his ears, and then I stretched my own arms above my head, having just gotten out of bed. My cat watched me, and halfway through my own stretch, imitated me. There wasn't much question in my mind that he was doing what I did, on purpose.

Also, cat owners (and, to an extent, dog owners) may have noticed that their pets have words for certain things. These are usually unique to the pet; I've never heard of one cat in the house teaching another one the word s/he uses when asking their person to play (my cat has a word for 'play'; he's a Maine Coon, and the play word is almost a bark).

Back on topic: animals, I think, are far, far smarter than we give them credit for being, as a child of the age of, say, four, may be understanding more than they are capable of communicating at that age. Our four-year-olds grow up and gain that ability, but our animal neighbors do not; nonetheless, they try to communicate with us, and the behavior of our own household pets- domesticated animals, all- is proof of this.

The only time I can remember intentionally killing another living thing was when I was a kid: I squished a really big, ugly bug outside my front door. I felt more than heard it pop underfoot. To this day, for some reason, I regret killing that bug. As an adult, I can appreciate that it, at some point, would eventually cocoon and emerge as a huge, dusty moth or a brilliantly colored butterfly, and I would as an adult appreciate either one.

The saddest thing I can say about humanity is that we see ourselves as divorced from the natural world. We do not see ourselves as animals on this planet along with the rest of the life here, or even see ourselves as members of the animal kingdom, no: we see ourselves as holding dominion over those things, the Earth as ours to rape, pillage, and ultimately destroy in our base, useless greed.

Maybe that last paragraph is why the prairie dogs have words for a tall man in a red coat, or a short woman in a blue coat. May the prairie dogs, very sensibly, want to have nothing at all to do with us.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 10:03 PM
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17. Your cat story reminded me of an incident with our kitty a while back
Spot was sitting in front of the TV with us watching a program showing some large predator cats (I seem to recall they were either lions or leopards) jumping onto and obviously taking down some prey, a gazelle??? or something. Anyway, not long after it was over, Spot went thru the kitty-door out onto the porch and jumped the 5 or 6 feet down smack on top of one of our dogs that was napping down there! Scared the poor dog shitless! Damndest thing we ever saw...
;-)
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 08:24 AM
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4. There was an article about this in Smithsonian about 10 years ago
and they not only distinguish species, sex, color, and direction, they also have different sounds if it's a human carrying a gun vs. an unarmed human.

They're not dogs, really, they're a rodent, a variety of large ground squirrel.

One of the neatest things I've ever seen was on the way home after a 12 hour night shift, a dozen or so prairie dogs standing at attention at the edge of an off ramp, catching the morning sun to warm up. I confess a great deal of fondness for the critters whether or not I can understand their language. They are a keystone species out west, probably the most essential part of the desert food chain.

Of course, I don't have horses...
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 08:28 AM
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6. A prarie dog once told me...

..never take wooden nickels.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 08:42 AM
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7. That's f'ing amazing!! (nt)
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 08:50 AM
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9. they have a phrase for republicans.
chirp squeak chirp chirp squeak chirp. -- ''human more stupid than a rock.''
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Thirtieschild Donating Member (978 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 09:30 AM
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11. I remember a huge prairie dog town
just north of the Canadian River in the Texas Panhandle about 50 years ago. There was also an large antelope herd down there. Both are gone now. Sigh. Mem writing in the county history remembered - fondly as I read it - setting prairie dog burrows on fire, or dynamiting them. Their descendants are among the reddest voters in the country.
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 02:15 PM
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12. They've even come up with a Bush code word!
Edited on Wed Apr-26-06 02:48 PM by gatorboy


HEH! I likes the image so much, I made it my sig. :P
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enlightenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-26-06 08:43 PM
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13. Too bad the ranchers don't care how smart or how cute or how
socially complex prairie dogs are.
And yes, I'm stereotyping ranchers -- if you're a rancher and you've never killed a prairie dog, my apologies.

Still, the sickest thing I have EVER seen in my life was the "Nucla Prairie Dog Hunt" -- a contest to see who could kill the most prairie dogs with the biggest gun. Morons with semi-automatics shooting at everything that moved. It used to be a yearly thing in western Colorado (Nucla, home of 500 people and only three last names . . .)

Ick. ick. ick.
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politicat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 06:01 PM
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15. They're getting there, really.
Grassland ranchers leave 'em alone because prairie dogs are coyote food, and if the coyotes have access to prairie dogs, they won't pack up and go after a calf or a chicken.

We have a colony nearby. I love to watch them.
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