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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 01:32 AM
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Here's a freebie for a whole lot of the folks out there;

Time x Space = "Dark Matter"

Seriously kids, even though it's oversimplified, it's based on the same principle that the anti-gravitational aspect of the Hubble Constant is.

Now that you know that, what's next?
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islandmkl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 01:33 AM
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1. space/time = don't matter...
but that's just me...
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 01:56 AM
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6. The best places are where time/space.
I used to have a website that did that.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 01:38 AM
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2. Left Ear x Empty Space x Right Ear = No Matter
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Idealism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 01:39 AM
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3. I should have paid more attention in astrology class
:banghead:
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 03:26 AM
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10. Har har.
Funny how it correlates right after actualized cognition.
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 01:51 AM
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4. Life is but a dream
And a shadow fell
Bringing sleep to all
Life is but a dream
Ours

When you disappear
You are everywhere
Life is but a dream
Ours

In our beauty sleep
In big sleep together
Nothing ever ends
Nothing lasts forever

You'll come back again
I am waiting then
Life is but a dream
It's ours

Life is but a dream
dp
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 01:54 AM
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5. So then..
Space = dark matter over time? Ok, I can buy that one.

But what about

Time = dark matter over space? I guess so

So, let's see, if time travel is limited by the speed of light... and if dark matter has no light (and thus, is dark)... then perhaps time travel is possible in the dark, as long as you have enough space? And really, I think there's plenty of space in the universe.

Or did I just paint myself into some sort of corner?

:crazy:
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 02:25 AM
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8. Actually...
You just painted yourself everywhere... and brilliantly.

But to answer your question; 'Yes, essentially time travel must occur in the 'dark'. Considering that the baryonic Universe we tend to perceive only manifests through memory based upon proper protein exchanges running in linear fashion, and the probability soup that one must travel through is nothing less than true chaos herself, the fact is that no one can get there without going a bit through darkness.'

Then, what is darkness but ultimate potential?

I like your corner. I might just hang out here.

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Kip Humphrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 05:57 PM
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13. Time/Space = Dark Matter...

Time
____ = Dark Matter
Space

Time = Dark Matter x Space

If time and space expand at a constant rate maintaining a constant ratio, dark matter remains constant.

If space expands at an accelerating rate (more space) relative to time (time is constant), dark matter shrinks.

If space contracts and time remains constant, dark matter increases.


Let's substitute duration for time and distance for space:

Duration
________ == Dark Matter
Distance

For dark matter to remain constant, space must continue to expand at a constant ratio with the increase in duration.

If, on the other hand, space is expanding at an accelerating rate relative to the increase in duration, dark matter must be disappearing or changing states to something outside the bounds of the space and time equation (dark energy, maybe?). Could this be why dark energy is in greater abundance than dark matter and dark matter will eventually disappear all together causing galaxies to fly apart?

Of coarse, what if duration (time) is not constant?

My brain is beginning to hurt... I leave this to others to continue.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 03:07 AM
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14. I watch too much "Futurama", I meant 'Dark Energy'.
You're right, mass far outstrips space on a point-to-point basis. The point is that despite irregularities, Dark Energy will keep pace with the constant... as it stands so far.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-09 06:15 AM
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16. So what are you saying?
Dark energy is being created at a faster rate than the universe is expanding? That it's the integral of 'space' with respect to time - over the life of the universe? That 'space' has the units of kg m2 s-3?
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 12:40 AM
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17. In Space AND Time.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 03:20 AM
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18. You mean time and relative dimensions in space?
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 11:29 PM
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21. Basically, the Constant driver is fed by time,
acting upon space creating a linear energetic mass-displacement function... 'antigravity' as far as cosmic expansion is concerned.

Here's the thing; The Constant expansion, were it to take place strictly 'in' space, would accelerate at, well, an infinite rate due to the exponential effect of time acting recursively on expanding space. Natural relativity, by mere virtue of physical relationships of massive objects, could not hold such an expansion in check. The warping and twisting of space would have shown up as a massive cosmic distortion as soon as we could tell the difference between stars and galaxies... I mean, imagine knowing that you're looking at far away galaxies, far, far away, and they're changing place in the observable scope faster than everything in your own galaxy!
The effect that we are seeing in dark energy is caused by the 'recycling' of space back into the dimension of time. The differential energy that's created is enough to show up against, within, and all around background radiation. Basically, space is like the meniscus on a magma fissure... time adds to it as magma adds to the rock, Time is, like magma to rock, literally turning into space (and accelerating mass, but that's another thing). Yes, it's a bit more complex and there are other factors, but that's the best analogy I have right now.
So, what would happen if all magma became solid the moment it met rock? Well, it would go solid to the core and become a nice paperweight for a very large person. That doesn't happen, of course, because below the meniscus the rock that forms is being re-heated, and re-melted, and like the Earth, there is a fairly abundant source of fresh heat which has resulted in a fair model of equilibrium.

The Universe, on the other hand, has many more orders of magnitude of orders of magnitude (of orders of magnitude) of driving force and energy than does the Earth. The Universe, as we know, has not, and will not achieve a form of 'equilibrium' for some time... a little bit, at least... as demonstrated by little things like that constant expansion and the fact that time still works... which is good because that's what it takes me to type this.

So... what's going on is the completely expected phenomenon of space being acted upon, and at a level, being reabsorbed (during quantum resolution, which is what makes space and 'reality' very thin, actually) in Time. As this happens, like with the rock and the magma, energy is released.

As it stands, time is a relatively misunderstood factor of the Constant, but it's a good thing we're in a really, really young Universe (even though it's older than most people think because of the effect I've just described above)

So, I guess, looking at your question, the answer would more be along the lines of, "Space and Relative Dimensions in Time."



;) And no, that's not a police box in your living room. ;)
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 02:02 AM
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7. So then...
Does Time ÷ Space = "Light Matter"?
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 02:27 AM
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9. No.
That would equal "Light Matters".

And it would be on TV.
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Random_Australian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 04:43 AM
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11. Ok, maybe I am missing something, but I could have sworn that isn't quite right,
Edited on Sat Jan-31-09 04:44 AM by Random_Australian
and what you are referring to is dark energy, not dark matter, which is associated with more mass present that we are able to find a cause for (and thus greater local gravitional affects*)

*local in this sense spans galaxies. :)

Hmmmmm, yeah the anti-gravitional aspect of the Hubble Constant comes from (IIRC) the Einstein-DeSitter equation for the evolution of the scale factor, no?

Well, that is about as far as my knowledge goes at the moment. (I learn GR proper this year)
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-09 02:28 AM
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15. Scale need not necessarily be maintained.
That, and things function better when scale is maintained. The ripple effects we see in the microwave background can inform us of just what imperfections in the 'constant' can be found.

I could be wrong. ;)

Toss me some math, if you will.
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Random_Australian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 06:23 AM
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19. Hmmm, not what I was getting at.
My main point was that dark matter and dark energy are two very seperate things, with seperate consequences....

Hmmmmmm, which may imply I misunderstood the OP. Ok, time to clarify!

1) In the OP you said "time x space = dark energy". I happen to know that the model of dark energy is basically "time x space = (total) dark energy" so I assume you are referring to the same thing ............ahhhhh, which is wrong, dark energy is constant (reasonably) per volume over a given time, ie. "dark energy density x volume(space) = (total) dark energy"

2) Ok, then what do you mean by "time x space = dark matter"? Now I'm curious as hell. (but don't have the knowledge to read papers yet - I do general relativity later this year, but I already have an undergrad degree + major in physics, so you don't need to be super-layman in your explanation)

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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 10:06 AM
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12. My two-year-old's diaper contained a substantial quantity of dark matter this morning
Or are we talking about two different things?
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-09 02:58 PM
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22. I'm getting the impression they're quite similar in this case (nt)
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 01:44 PM
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20. "Dark Matter"/(Time * Space) = 2
There. That's what's next.

Prove me wrong.
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