Need help IDing a tree.

[uppityperson]

It is deciduous, with an odd leaf arrangement. At first glance it appears to be palmated, but along each of the main center ribs of each finger there are leaves going out sideways pinnated. I've search several keys but no matter which way I go, palmate or pinnate, I can find nothing like this.

Think of a horse chestnut with its beautifully palmated leaves. Keep that structure for the bones but then make leaves pinnately on alternate sides of the center ribs or each finger going out from the palm. Does this make sense? Any thoughts?

I saw this tree in a neighbor's yard and thought it striking. Thank you.

[Arctic Dave]

1. Picture?

[uppityperson]

7. A picture would help but I don't have one. The palms that the leaves came off of

were a good 1-2 feet across (in total). It was very interesting. Very odd combination of the 2 types. I'll see if I can get a photo but it won't be for a week or so. I was hoping someone would say "oh yes, it's a .."

[Horse with no Name]

10. Google "pedate" n/t

[uppityperson]

11. That sounds like the type, thank you. Off to look up what it might be.

grrr,not much. Giant hellebore? hahaha. off to research more

[uppityperson]

12. It looks sort of like this papaya, but has leaves, not just lobed in.

[Horse with no Name]

2. What region? n/t

[uppityperson]

4. I am in NW WA but it is in a yard, was planted there.

Means might not be native.

[Horse with no Name]

6. Try this

http://plantingzones.net/leaf-identification-chart

[uppityperson]

15. That is an excellent set of illustrations, thank you.

bookmarked to view later if I get back to the tree.

[patrice]

20. Nice reference resource! Thanks!

:hi:

[Tunkamerica]

3. Maybe a picture of the leaves would help.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

5. Vine maple?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vine_maple

[uppityperson]

9. Nope, not maple leaves. The leaves coming off the fingers of the palm are more like alder leaves

It was like this, but the first big part is palm, not pinnated. They are alternating. But the center big structure is palm shaped.

[WheelWalker]

8. Can you find a seed? Is it a mature tree and if so, what is the bark like?

Does it appear to be native to your area?

On Edit: We share a hobby :fistbump:

[uppityperson]

14. It looks mature, bark is smoothish. Not native, trunk is 9-10 inches diameter a couple

feet off the ground (didn't go right up to it). If I go back I'll get a photo and post it. Is very interesting.

[BeFree]

13. A Nukushima hybrid?

JK.
Are you saying the lobes are pinnate?

[uppityperson]

16. Yes. It is largely palmated, then each of the lobes (I called them fingers) is pinnately leaved

Like the papaya posted upthread but the fingers of the palm have leaves on both sides. Sort of like this black oak (leaves are attached palmately) but not with lobes in the leaves but with the leaves being pinnate. Now that I see this, this is along what it was, with the leaf stems being attached like a palm, but with pinnate leaves going out both sides of the center of each leaf. Does that make sense?

[Horse with no Name]

17. Ta Da! (I hope)

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_8fdAjWGnOxY/S_S_2TlgXFI/AAAAAAAAA6A/v5q60b1mw8E/s1600/Gleditsia+triacanthos+inermis+leaves.png

This is a honey locust.

[uppityperson]

18. Getting there but not quite. See how the branches the leaves are on come out across

from each other? Make them come out like a palm and that is it. The honey locust complex is long rather than like a palm. Oh dear, now I am getting confused. The very interesting part was that the small side branches that the leaves were on hooked together like a palm rather than being long like this.

This is interesting, finding lots of cool trees. I need to go back and take a photo.

[WheelWalker]

19. This is my favorite thing to do, except keying fungi which is my absolute favorite.

Blessings.

[Odin2005]

23. We have a few of them in Fargo, pretty trees.

[patrice]

21. Mimosa?

[uppityperson]

22. No, missing the palmated look. If you removed all the small branches with pinnated leaves and

stuck then back together in a palmated shape, that would be it.

Trunk goes up, splits into branches, into smaller branches, at the ends of which are smaller branches in a palmated pattern, on each of those tiny branches the leaves are pinnated. I'll try and get a picture of it in the next week and post it. Thank you.

[trotsky]

24. Call your city's arborist.

They'll know.

[uppityperson]

25. No city, country. I'll get a picture and post it in a bit when I can. Thanks though

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

26. Kentucky coffee tree?

http://www.meridian.k12.il.us/middle%20school/student_work/carync/kentucky_coffee_tree.html