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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 07:23 AM
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Study finds crows can distinguish between symbols denoting quantities
http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20111007f1.html

MAEBASHI, Gunma Pref. — Researchers recently found that crows can recognize symbols representing different quantities, successfully selecting containers holding hidden food items when given a choice based only on symbols.

The research by Shoei Sugita, a professor of animal morphology at Utsunomiya University in Tochigi Prefecture, and others confirmed for the first time that crows can distinguish quantities of items, suggesting they have the same numerical cognition ability as humans.

The outcome of the tests involving eight jungle crows was published in the October issue of Animal Behavior, an international journal.

In their experiments, the researchers prepared two containers in a cage, showing the eight crows two sets of quantity symbols on their lids.
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razorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 08:21 AM
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1. Sounds like they are qualified to work for the Treasure Department.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 08:23 AM
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2. i, for one, welcome our new Avian Overlords. nt
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tama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 08:40 AM
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3. Made me think
Edited on Fri Oct-07-11 08:42 AM by tama
of the Hitchcock movie. And dinosaurs evolved into birds.

And the vivid image of swallows giving the poor miserable house cat hard time by stuka diving at it until it went away.
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Confusious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 05:45 PM
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13. They can't do much worse. nt
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razorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 12:04 PM
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6. Sorry...Treasury
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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 08:55 AM
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4. counting crows! nt
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Raschel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 09:06 AM
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5. Crows are so smart. Too bad they're not cute.
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razorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 12:06 PM
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7. And they do NOT taste like chicken.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 01:53 PM
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9. The ones I feed are pretty cute, and smart.
They let me get very close as well, within a few Meters. It took years to gain their trust. They also have individual personalities.
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TheMadMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 08:46 PM
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15. Try BBQ savoury biscuits. With those, and a seat in the grass...
...I can generally have a bird taking them from my hand in less than 1/2 hour.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 01:49 PM
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8. They can also use tools to complete a task.
Clever birds.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 02:21 PM
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11. In some cases, they custom-build the tools before using them!
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 10:46 AM
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17. There's a few cases of one making a tool to build another tool, too. (nt)
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 01:31 PM
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18. Even better!
There isn't a youtube of that, is there?
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 02:19 PM
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10. The last line ruined it for me. What does it say exactly?
"The eight crows had a 70 to 90 percent success rate choosing the container holding food for 19 of the 20 choices with which they were presented."

Does it mean that given 20 containers, 19 of them containing food, they go to food 70% of the time? Or what?
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Bosonic Donating Member (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 05:16 PM
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12. Smarter than European Magpies ?
Edited on Fri Oct-07-11 05:17 PM by Bosonic
European Magpies pass the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_test">Mirror test.

Maybe this and abstract symbol manipulations (and tool use) are all separate, complementary aspects of the general term intelligence. Interesting.
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 01:15 AM
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16. At least you don't have to salute to crows
Edited on Sat Oct-08-11 01:15 AM by sakabatou
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-11 06:02 PM
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14. And crows spell better than TPer's. nt
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 01:49 PM
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19. But can they distinguish between connotations?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connotation

A connotation is a commonly understood subjective cultural and/or emotional association that some word or phrase carries, in addition to the word's or phrase's explicit or literal meaning, which is its denotation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denotation

Denotation
Not to be confused with detonation.

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