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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 09:43 AM
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Poll question: The fact of statistically significant outcome discrepancies between males and females implies what?
Edited on Sun May-25-08 09:43 AM by Boojatta
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Coyote_Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 09:45 AM
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1. WTF? eom
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 09:48 AM
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2. I apologize for not being clear enough.
Edited on Sun May-25-08 09:52 AM by Boojatta
Unfortunately, I don't know where the problems are. Finding the problems and diagnosing them seems to be a prerequisite to developing and implementing a remedy. Perhaps there's a DU member who might volunteer to act as my pre-posting editor? My volunteer editor and I could work together via Private Messages or regular email.
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Coyote_Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:42 AM
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3. My psychic abilities fail me
Edited on Sun May-25-08 10:45 AM by Coyote_Bandit
Either spit it out or refrain from hitting the "post message" button please.

WTF is your OP regarding? If you are incapable or unwilling to describe the factual substance then link it.

Otherwise, this is a complete and utter waste of time and bandwidth.

Oh well.



Edit to add that statistically significant outcome disparities between males and females regarding pregnancy is completely expected and well within reason. Wages? Not so much.
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 12:21 PM
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5. I presume that pregnancy is neither a wage outcome nor...
... the outcome in part of a test.

There are tests for pregnancy, but pregnancy is not itself the outcome of a test unless, for example, a couple has sex without using birth control in order to test whether or not they're fertile.

However, there are a variety of tests for which the outcomes can be important to someone. For example, there are examinations in formal educational settings that affect grades/marks/GPA results. There are standardized tests.

There are also IQ tests, personality tests, and other miscellaneous tests that might be used by a government department or agency such as the military and that might be used in the private sector to help decide whom to hire for a given job. For example, evaluating applicants for an insurance sales job might involve tests of personality, communication skills, etc.
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Coyote_Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 02:10 PM
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6. Obviously you have no intent of clarifying your OP
Six of seven poll respondents say the poll question and the answer options aren't clear enough and another DUer has also posted and asked for clarification of the OP.

Based on your failure to clarify your OP I can only infer that your disrespect toward the DUers who bothered to click on and read your OP is intentional. This OP is reminiscent of hang up phone calls IMHO - a bad tease without the ability or willingness to deliver.

I still don't know whether you are talking about a pregnancy test or a personality test or a finger dexterity test or a physical fitness test or a skills test or a genetic test or a test of knowledge of a particular field or a test of physical strength. Guess what? I don't care.

My dogs are panting. I think they need some play time - followed by some treats.
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 02:21 PM
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7. Given a communication problem, I see no reason to jump to blaming one side.
However, if you have no real desire to play a role in solving the problem, then there's no reason for you to think about how it might be solved.
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Coyote_Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 02:42 PM
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8. Still not clarifying your OP
Just playing more games I see.

I think perhaps I will focus my efforts on solving the challenges that I am facing in real life. At least I know what those are.

Hard to figure solutions for somebody else's abstract, undefined and possibly non-existent problem. You may think there is a problem but you will not define it or provide evidence to support its very existence. Given that you are on your own.
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 02:47 PM
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9. The problem that I referred to is the communication problem.
Edited on Sun May-25-08 02:49 PM by Boojatta
Or, as you expressed it, failure of psychic abilities.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:44 AM
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4. You need to give poll participants a fact pattern or factual
reference. At one point in my career, I worked for an employer who occasionally asked me to issue opinions in response to completely abstract questions. I was not told the factual context in which the question had arisen. Naturally, when the question was just abstract, I produced an abstract answer that was not very useful in the end. Specific facts matter.

A mathematician may understand the technical significance of the words you are using, but those of us who are not schooled in statistics and mathematics interpret the words in a very general sense. If your question does not arise from a specific factual context, then you need to define the terms so that everyone responding to your poll understands your question in the same fashion or at least close to the same fashion.

I recently became one of the people polled by a well known national poll company. I am absolutely appalled by the questions I am asked. I am given virtually no opportunity to explain why I chose the answer I chose. The questions and answer choices are far too narrowly drawn. As written, the poll cannot possibly obtain a meaningful result. The national poll I am talking about is too narrowly drawn. It goes to the opposite extreme from your poll which is too generally drawn. Neither extreme produces a meaningful result.
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 09:48 PM
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10. "Neither extreme produces a meaningful result."
That the result is meaningless suggests that the poll might actually be clear enough and that I should ignore the votes for "This poll question and the answer options aren't clear enough."

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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 09:44 AM
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11. "A mathematician may understand the technical significance of the words you are using"
I think that plenty of non-mathematicians understand the difference between "opportunity" and "outcome."
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One_Life_To_Give Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:01 PM
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12. One data point does not make an equation
Put another way your question is;
I have more Apples than Oranges, what does that imply?
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 06:18 PM
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13. Are you sure that one data point is statistically significant?
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One_Life_To_Give Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 09:30 AM
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14. The supporting info or the data point?
The statistical basis supporting the data point is claimed to be "Significant", as in beyond expected statistical variation. e.g. A statistically significant analysis shows that houses on Main Street have more Apples than Oranges in their kitchens.

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