I've waited all day to see what you ladies had to say.

[plantwomyn]

Obama asks Waxman to remove the family-planning program in an attempt at Bi-partician kumbaya.
AND THEN....... not one repug votes for the stimulis.
And many on DU think it was a great move.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8144437
Now women unemployed because of our wonderfull economy will not get help with BIRTH CONTROL. Notice that most of the comments from the earlier post talk about abortion. Only MEN think that family planning is all about abortion. Planned Parenthood provides a wide range of services for women, teens and even men folk.
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/about-us/who-we-are-4648.htm

So where is the uproar about Medicare paying for Viagra?

Poor women have been shoved to the back of the bus. It's starting to get crowded back here.

[Captain Hilts]

1. It stinks. nt

[Tangerine LaBamba]

2. That family planning item

was only in there as a bargaining chip, the most visible, the most offensive to Republicans, and the one Obama was willing to give up. It was never meant to be part of this bill.

But, don't worry. Really. Our President knows what he believes, and the same program will be in another bill, one the Republicans won't be able to touch. I honestly believe this.

If anyone is going to look out for poor women - and men - it's going to President Obama.

It'll be all right. Don't fret.

[Suich]

3. I agree completely.

We have a very smart President and I would never play chess with him...ever!





:)

[BrklynLiberal]

9. Someone else here said that President Obama is playng chess and the repukes are still

playing checkers.
They have been outsmarted and do not even know it.

[Suich]

11. LOL! I missed that but I certainly agree!

This thread has gotten pretty goofy! President Obama has been President for EIGHT days and some folks are already really, really ticked off at him!

Do you play chess, btw? I used to, many years ago. Loved it, but it was a bit "life consuming," if that makes any sense.

[plantwomyn]

6. Kumbaya

And Pres. Obama was bargaining for???? NO VOTES?????
He sacficed for NOTHING. He gave them a "moral" victory for NOTHING!
What he and the dems should be doing if cultivating votes in the only place we need them and thats the senate.
All we need is one vote.
Has Pres. Obama forgotten his old Senate friends Sen. Snowe and Sen. Collins. Both "centerist" republicians and both WOMEN! Doesn't he feel up to the task of sitting down with these two ladies and convincing them to vote to improve the health care for women in their state? Shouldn't be a hard sell after all.
Is this the Change we are suppost to believe in.
If he is playing a chess game, I just hope he remembers that the king can only move one space at a time, just like us PAWNS.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

8. Huh?

I sense your passion about this matter, but I'm not sure you understood what I wrote. I'm also not sure you understand how the legislative process works.

Democrats have the votes in the Senate, so there's no need for Obama to "cultivate" there. What we have to hope is for Harry Reid to do what Obama tells him to do. I rather suspect he will.

Your comments about the women Senators doesn't really compute since the bill just came out of the House and now goes to the Senate. As for the President singling them out, I find it repugnant that anyone would consider playing that sort of sexist game. These are two experienced politicians who know how the game is played. Your idea smacks of condescending behavior, and that is the last thing I expect from our President.

He's been in office for eight days. Your sentence - "Is this the CHANGE we are supposed to believe in" - is offensive and dim on so many levels. First, you forgot the question mark. Second, your expectations of this man are silly. And third, your whole persona as exemplified by this response suggest to me that you really need to read up on how government works. You'll enjoy learning new things.

[plantwomyn]

10. Really?

You find it "repugnant" for me to suggest that Pres. Obama should sit down and convince two female senators to vote their conscience instead of their party but it's just okey dokey for you to say Harry Reid, U.S. Senate Majority Leader, should "do what Obama tells him to do". Maybe you should read up on Mr. Reid's political experience and HIS game playing ability.
If you watched half as much C-Span as I, you may have heard it mentioned about 20 times already that strategists on both sides think these two ladies may be the key to opening up bi partisanship in the senate. They were named specifically as good touch stones for Obama try to work with.
The Democrats do not have a filibuster proof congress. I'm sure with your vast knowledge of "how government works" and "how the legislative process works" you must know that means that Democrats DO NOT HAVE THE VOTES IN THE SENATE. They do have an overwhelming majority in the House.
Since you think I will enjoy learning why don't you teach me something.
Explain to me why, with a House majority and no need to acquiesce to the religious right WHY Obama dumped the Medicare Family Planning State Option out of the bill? He won remember?


And don't tell me watching C-Span isn't a sufficiant to be considered educated about my freaking government. I've read the freaking Federalist Papers and the notes of the debates of the Constitutional Congress. Yes ALL of them.
"your whole persona as exemplified by this response" WTF
Oh BTW here's a ? for ya.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

13. Clearly,

you watch too much TV.

You really don't get it.

Hence, I'll let you go now and wish you all the best.

[plantwomyn]

14. You've missed a "teaching moment"

It's easy to disregard someone's opinion when you convince yourself that they "don't get it".
I asked you to explain but instead you try to minimize me by what you odiously feel is an insult.
What is unclear to me is why so many people think POLITICS has ANYTHING to do with "how the legislative process works" or "how government works".
What I do not get is why so many have no problem with applauding Pres. Obama's decisions when they are right but think it betrayal when anyone points out that one of Pres. Obama's decisions was wrong.
You may think that my "expectations of this man are silly", I do not.
"The better angels of our nature" ever hear the phrase? I heard it on TV many times in the last 2 years and it wasn't Abe Lincoln saying it. It isn't "silly" to hold MY President's feet to the fire is he doesn't do what he promised. In some corners it's called citizenship.

Pres. Obama is making decisions on our behalf every day. This one sucked.

[plantwomyn]

15. You may want to contact this group.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3712909
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/groups-target-gop-senators-on-stimulus-2009-01-29.html
"A coalition of Democratic-leaning organizations is spending millions of dollars on a campaign aimed at convincing five Republican senators to back the economic stimulus legislation.

The Campaign for Jobs and Economic Recovery, a group of labor and political organizations, is targeting GOP Sens. Susan Collins (Maine), Olympia Snowe (Maine), Judd Gregg (N.H.), Lisa Murkowski (Alaska) and Chuck Grassley (Iowa) with a 30-second spot. The ad includes audio excerpts from President Obama’s Jan. 8 speech at George Mason University, when he made his case for the stimulus package that could exceed $900 billion."

They actually have the gaul to single out FIVE "experienced politicians who know how the game is played".
Where's their website:
www.jobsandeconomicrecovery.com
I'm sure they will appreciate hearing from you that their "idea smacks of condescending behavior, and that is the last thing I expect from our President"
You go girl.

[TellTheTruth82]

12. Contraception

The republicans have said that they fully support the program, just not in this bill. I tend to agree that it has little to do with economic stimulus. As far as supporting it in another bill, well I will wait and see (not holding my breath).

[Captain Hilts]

16. I agree but...

it's kind of offensive to women for this kind of thing to be a 'bargaining chip'.

Especially after all the photographs of the prez in the Oval Office surrounded by a team of advisers without any women

The whole thing just stung a bit.

[Chulanowa]

4. Not all men, of course

And I've met plenty of freeptards packing a double-X who think that's what it's all about, too.

If it's any consolation, this Injun will at least stand up so you can sit down at the back of the bus? :)

[plantwomyn]

7. Thanks for the thought, but I'm not ready to sit down yet.

If the bus keeps going in this direction I'll be getting OFF.

[my2sense]

5. Excellent point

Viagra should NOT be paid for by the gov't. Since when is that a necessity to get your old wrinkled "tool" up if it stops working. Women being able to control their reproductive rights is head and shoulders above viagra.....that's unbelievable.