The "freedom to be born"?

[rusty charly]

Where are they deriving this freedom? Is it a constitutional concept or another attempt to inject Evangelicalism into law? Or pretend it was some kind of idea from the Framers.

[patrice]

1. You'll have to tell us more, if you expect somekind of answer.

[rusty charly]

10. I'm in a debate about FOCA- elsewhere

and this phrase was thrown at me. Never heard it. When I googled it, it's all Anti-Choice marches, Catholic websites, Steve Forbes (!), etc. I responded with the slippery slope of granting a grouping of three cells complete Constitutional rights. But, thought I might get a more legal or detailed or researched response than what I first came up with.

[patrice]

11. Ok, so? Do spontaneously miscarried zygotes, blastocysts & fetuses have rights of inheritance?

[baldguy]

2. Freedom to inspect any vagina at any time for any reason on any suspicion.

At the drop of a hat, so to speak.

[StClone]

6. Vagina Freedom's Receptacle

Anti-abortion Whack jobs will witness the end of the world before they will concede that abortion is what is -- none of their damn business unless they are having one!

[patrice]

12. Blasphemers one and all and I'm NOT kidding about that!

[Veritas_et_Aequitas]

3. Injecting Evangelicalism into law.

I'm guessing the logic is:

Assume: Embryos and unborn forms of human life are legal persons
Assume: All legal persons are entitled to full rights guaranteed under the Constitution including the implied rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness as stated in the Declaration of Independence and covered under the 9th amendment.

Therefore: Embryos et al are protected by the Constitution.
Therefore: Embryos have an inherent right to life.
Therefore: Embryos have a freedom under the 9th amendment as to protect their right to life.

At least I think that's what they're shooting for.

Edited because I always confuse the 9th and 10th amendments.

[ChazII]

8. You wrote a good summary. n/t

[omega minimo]

16. injecting reality into reality

"Assume: All legal persons are entitled to full rights guaranteed under the Constitution including the implied rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness as stated in the Declaration of Independence and covered under the 9th amendment."


When do women get the same rights as the "unborn"?!

:bounce:

[Fovea]

4. By storks and in cabbage patches

is inviolate.

[Hello_Kitty]

5. Every sperm is sacred.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

7. Uh-oh

So all those unimbedded eggs that get washed out in monthly menstrual flows are having their rights violated by - uh, wait, I can do this - by the homicidal maniac that is Mother Nature?

In that case, we must imprison every fertile female and make sure she doesn't menstruate.

There. I know I could go insane long enough to come up with this post.

Thank you.

[Warpy]

9. They deny the existence of a woman as a separate

and fully formed human being who wants to protect her life against an unwanted pregnancy.

Only by denying the humanity of women does their stupid argument make any sense at all.

[BrklynLiberal]

13. The insane, RW fundies are trying to frame the argument again.

These are the same minds that came up with the concept that THEY are pro-life, while those of us who believe in FREEDOM OF CHOICE, are actually murderers!!!
The insanity of it all is mind boggling.
The hypocrisy is sickening. These "PRO-LIFERS" - actually anti-choice - are the same people who are rabid supporters of capital punishment and the rush to war. They are against prenatal health care for the mother, post-natal care for the baby, as well as education, housing and food for the child after it has left the womb.

The only life they are really "FOR" is that within a woman's womb. Other than that, they could not give a crap who lives, dies, starves, freezes to death, or gets killed by an IED in Iraq.

[zbdent]

14. try telling the insurance company that they have to pay in full for a death

when your pregnancy naturally aborts ...

[Triana]

15. No. The "freedom to control women" is what it's about. n/t