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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 12:11 PM
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I would like some opinions
I don't know if this piece is in syndication, or if it's only infecting this one local paper so far.

Apparently, and to my surprise, those pesky feminists are at fault for a whole range of ills plaguing modern society. Who knew?

Thoughts?
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 12:14 PM
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1. Greatest medical breakthrough would be a vaccine for misogyny
IMHO
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 12:17 PM
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2. Is she for real???
How can she hated her own sex so much? What is wrong with her?
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 12:22 PM
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3. Oh my good heavens!
snip - "O’Beirne makes clear that it’s thanks to feminists that we blindly cheer single mothers of young children as they go off to war and “defend the men” on the home front. We unquestioningly assume that, of course, single women will make themselves sexually available to men outside of marriage no matter the self-destructive consequences. And marriage itself has been so devalued as an institution that protects women and children in particular that we no longer discourage, much less stigmatize, the men (or women) who do so much damage by, often unilaterally, leaving it behind."

I just don't know where to begin! What a kookoohead!






Gee, she forgot to rag on gays ruining marriage! :sarcasm: (just in case you couldn't tell) :)
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 12:49 PM
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4. Telling it like it is
Gee, she forgot to rag on gays ruining marriage!

Well, it's got to be either "them queers" or "them feminists." Heterosexual males can possibly be to blame, can they?!?
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 01:07 PM
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5. So far it's only in the SacBee & your op link.
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 03:52 PM
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6. I read the book
and gulp (hiding) she makes some valid points in my opinion. Not all, of course.

Do I want to be June Cleever? No. But somehow in the feminist frenzy the fine art of child rearing as an occupation lost it's luster and eventually, as the economy adjusted for all the women in the marketplace, women lost the ability to mother their own children. I mourn that loss.

What I would want as a young woman today, is to be able to advance readily and when I want (if I want) to come out of the workforce and mother my young children. And then I want to get back in the saddle without starting over. How? Well, government stipends, more flexible schedules (working half time, etc.) and definitely daycare at the office. Everywhere. Because if you can't be home with them at least you can take them to work. I know there are studies that say children are not harmed by daycare, except possibly by increased exposure to viruses, but I don't know if anyone has studied what it does to many women to leave her children in the care of others every day. It can tear out her heart.

But I'm getting kind of old now, and maybe people don't agree with this.

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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 04:07 PM
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7. Interesting points
Parenting, whether by a mother or father, should be afforded greater status in our society, as should childcare in general (daycare or teaching or whatever). The schedule-flexibility you describe should be equally available to fathers and mothers, IMO, so that it doesn't become an argument about legislating women back into the home.

Part of the problem, I think, stems currently not just from the impact of feminism but also from the ever-increasing costs of living. When daycare (already badly underfunded) costs a significant portion of one's income, it becomes a matter of paying someone else to watch one's children, just so that one can net $2 or $3 per hour, which is hardly a living wage! A stay-at-home parent even becomes something of a luxury, indicating that the "working" parent is sufficiently well off to "support" the other.

At a very bare minimum, a stay-at-home parent should be granted health coverage and some either some monthly stipend or a significantly greater tax benefit. It could even be scaled in such a way abuse is minimized (a la "having more kids to get more government money," as the argument too often goes)
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 05:00 PM
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8. I agree that including fathers in the mix
would help not to negate gains of feminism.

Here is what I myself do. My daugher was never academic. She went to work in retail right after high school. At 21 she married her high school sweetheart. He worked in retail management and then at 26 (they are the same age) he decided to go back to school. I agreed to help. And because they were moving in with my husband and me, it seemed a good time for her to get pregnant because they basically have no bills. So she had one in 2003 and one in 2005 and he is in premed. We live communally. My husband and I bring home the money, she keeps house and her husband goes to school. It is the old extended family and it works very well for us. And she is home all day with the two babies. It really makes me feel good to give them something I was never able to do for my own children. I have worked since '72 as a teacher. So I think that perhaps also we need to pull together a bit more as families to work out parenting as well. Whatever we do, is just right now is not looked upon something of value...and yet really, what is more important?
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Book Lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 04:20 PM
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9. Yawn. What a tired hack.
You'd think after these many decades of advancement of women's position in civil society, writers like this would come up with something new to rail against.
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