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Edward Copeland Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 02:19 PM
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Abortion law attempts are popping up everywhere
In the past couple of days, there have been legal attempts and a court ruling related to abortion in Kentucky, South Dakota, Virginia, Arizona and Oregon. I've got links to all the separate stories at my blog if you are interested.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 02:21 PM
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1. shocked! shocked I tell you!
but I'm glad we had Scalito to make sure a woman's right to choose is protected.

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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 02:25 PM
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2. The stage is set "Go Go Gadget Jesus Freaks!" n/t
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Burning Water Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 02:27 PM
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3. Well, we knew
it was going to happen in Alito was confirmed.

But we can still fight in the state legislatures. But we have to be registered, and we have to vote. The Presidency and the Senate are the key. If we don't fight, we deserve what we get.

Clark is my current choice for Prez, but I'll support whoever is nominated. I hope the Greens don't get a single vote.
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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 02:27 PM
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4. Oregon?!!!
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 02:33 PM
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5. Good bye safe abortions, Hello maternal health care crisis. n/t
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flamin lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 02:37 PM
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6. I'm not sure the RW wants to overturn RvW.
It is too much of a fund raiser and rallying point to get out the vote. If they really wanted to restrict access to abortion they would begin with third tri-mester procedures and include the "protection of the mother's life" exception. Every proposed law so far has been overturned because it didn't include that provision.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 01:07 AM
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7. Seem like they deliberately write laws that can be overturned
A stalling tactic to make it appear like they're making a genuine effort. Still don't trust 'em not to throw that bone to the salivating fundie base if it appears that support is slipping. However, most of what they do at the national level vis a vis abortion is dumb shit like the Laci Peterson law. I don't get why the fundies don't see through it.

If abortion is really the "Holocaust" they claim it is, then why is it not the absolute NUMBER ONE priority of the GOP? The 'millions of babies being slaughtered' should surely take precedence over Iraq, privatizing Social Security, and cutting billionaires' taxes. And yet...nah. It's always like the fifth or sixth thing mentioned on their platform or in speeches. Way down there, you know? Almost like an afterthought.
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Heddi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 04:18 PM
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8. Frontline had an episode about the Last Abortion Clinic in Mississippi
and in the show, they interviewed some members of MS state legislature as well as some fundamentalist/evangelicals and law folks whose SOLE mission was to get an abortion case to the USSC that would put cracks in RvW. They PURPOSEFULLY wrote laws that went above and beoynd RvW so that way when the law was enacted, then struck down by local courts, they could take it to the USSC in the hopes of getting RvW overturned, or allowing more restrictive abortion laws to be found constitutional.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/clinic/

from the transcript:

WILLIAM SALETAN, Author, Bearing Right: People got the impression that abortion was safe, Roe v. Wade was safe. All the pro-choice people went home. But what happened is pro-lifers started to pass legislation to test what, exactly, is an undue burden? "Let's pass this bill. Is that undue? Let's pass that bill. Is that undue? And let's see where the courts draw the line."

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WILLIAM SALETAN, Author, Bearing Right: Just this summer, a federal appeals court struck down the federal partial-birth abortion ban. And in so doing, it said explicitly in its ruling, "Because the act does not contain a health exception, it is unconstitutional." Period. Pro-lifers could go back and put in a health exception, or they could do what they've tried to do, which is to gamble that there will be a change on the Supreme Court and that the new Justice won't care about the health exception. So we might find out in the parental notification case that John Roberts doesn't care about the health exception, in which case, perhaps he will uphold the federal partial-birth abortion ban as is.

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Prof. JACK BALKIN: The issue is, What do you have to show to a court in order to get an entire abortion law struck down? The way it usually works until now is, a plaintiff goes to court and says, "This restriction here imposes an undue burden on a lot of women. This statute here will impose an undue burden on a lot of women." And if they convince the court that's so, then the court issues an injunction and the statute cannot be applied by anyone.

NARRATOR: In this case, the pro-life side is arguing that even if the court finds the parental notice law to be an undue burden for some minors, the law should still stay on the books and the court should only make exceptions to it on a case-by-case basis.

Prof. JACK BALKIN: If that's the rule that the Supreme Court adopts, it means that over time, you have to bring a whole series of different plaintiffs in, each of which goes before the Court and says, "This law is unconstitutional as to me." The practical effect is to allow states to pass much more restrictive laws affecting abortion than they ever could before.

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NARRATOR: Terri Herring says Pro-Life Mississippi is not currently lobbying for any further abortion regulations but hopes that rulings from a new Supreme Court will permit more restrictive legislation in her state.

TERRI HERRING: Our goal is to be a pro-life Mississippi and to build a pro-life America. My personal goal is to be instrumental in the overturn of Roe v. Wade and to be instrumental in ending abortion in my lifetime.
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unschooler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 06:18 PM
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10. THat was an excellent special.
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unschooler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 06:16 PM
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9. Oregon? Link, please?
Edited on Sat Feb-25-06 06:17 PM by unschooler
Abortion was legal here long before Roe v Wade. Of course, there are people who would like to change that, but I don't think they have the votes to be, um, "viable."
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 07:39 AM
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11.  PA "abortion facility" bill in State Senate
Is this an attempt to make it harder to operate a medical facility that performs abortions? (note even the language gimmick of making an "abortion facility" a special case)

I posted this in a separate thread hoping for some insights...anyone want to weigh in?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=229&topic_id=3817&mesg_id=3817
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PinkRibbon Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-28-06 07:18 PM
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12. underground railroad-- Jane?
I'm interested in volunteering for this type organizetion, any idea where I can find out if there is one in my area?
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funflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 12:32 AM
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13. Welcome to DU, PinkRibbon!
I assume it will still be legal to go to "free" states for an abortion - unless you are a minor, in which case you're already in trouble, as you probably have to get permission from your parents and anyone who drives you across state lines for an abortion is already breaking the law.

I suspect there will be an increase in the number of moms taking their red-state daughters for a little mom/daughter bonding trip to a nice blue state.

Of course, that could change if the current Congress decides to legislate nationally on the issue. :scared:
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PinkRibbon Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 12:48 PM
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14. thanks
Thanks for the welcome--- I can spell organization--- it was a typo btw.

My concern is for the girls who can't go to their moms to get them to be taken to blue states for these services, or to get them services in blue states. In PA minors need parental consent, which is well and good if the parents are open minded and believe in allowing their daughters to choose. I know someone who gave herself 2 abortions because she couldn't go to her parents. I know someone else who had her father's child at the age of 11.... it all just frightens me.
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funflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 05:24 AM
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16. Agreed on all points.
What horrifying examples you offer.

I'm guessing that the anti-choices in Congress will try to do everything they can to stop the transportation of minors across state lines for abortions, whether those girls are being transported by boyfriends or by pro-choice volunteers. They'll probably mandate that doctors in "free" states verify that minor patients are residents of their state or something.

It's sooooo important that we take back the House THIS year!
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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 08:18 PM
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15. You are right. They will try that
There were over a hundred responses on the Freeper thread to "NYC is the Abortion Capital of this Country".

Yes, they will make FEDERAL laws to impose them on states that won't comply. Why we NEED to take back CONGRESS more than ever.
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 10:54 AM
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17. hmm
Edited on Tue Apr-04-06 10:54 AM by tigereye
we need to take back STATE legislatures as well. My state (PA) is awash in creepy rightwing thinking, esp. between Philly and Pittsburgh. And sadly, the only one who can probably beat Santorum (well, at least in the party's thinking) is Casey, son of the notorious Gov. Casey.

SIGH.
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