Real feminists

[undergroundpanther]

In the small hours of Saturday, around 30 young women gathered outside the Club Prive, a sex club in downtown Stockholm which offers strip-tease and lap-dancing, blocking the entrance.

Initially peaceful, the demonstration turned violent after three men, two club staff and one client, confronted the demonstrators, Stockholm police inspector Anders Nordberg told AFP.

More men joined in the brawl and in the ensuing violence, three men were badly injured and taken to hospital with head and face injuries. Police said the protestors appeared to have used baseball bats and umbrellas in the fight.

"When two bouncers attacked two women, the others acted to prevent their friends from being dragged into the club," a demonstrator, Monica Johansson, told the TT news agency, denying that baseball bats were used.


http://www.thelocal.se/article.php?ID=1393&date=20050508

A rading for. Ostara..
Mary of the brass knuckles
http://www.lilithgallery.com/feminist/mary_brassknuckles.html


BITCHOLOGY
When I stand up for myself and my beliefs, they call me a bitch.
When I stand up for those I love, they call me a bitch.
When I speak my mind, think my own thoughts or do things my own way, they call me a bitch.
Being a bitch means I won't compromise what's in my heart.
It means I live my life MY way.

It means I won't allow anyone to step on me.
When I refuse to tolerate injustice and speak against it, I am defined as a bitch.
The same thing happens when I take time for myself instead of being everyone's maid, or when I act a little selfish.

It means I have the courage and strength to allow myself to be who I truly am and won't become anyone else's idea of what they think I "should" be.
I am outspoken, opinionated and determined.
I want what I want and there is nothing wrong with that!

So try to stomp on me, try to douse my inner flame, try to squash every ounce of beauty
I hold within me.
You won't succeed.
And if that makes me a bitch, so be it.
I embrace the title and am proud to bear it.

B = Babe
I = In
T = Total
C = Control of
H = Herself

B = Beautiful
I = Intelligent
T = Talented
C = Charming
H = Hell of a Woman

B = Beautiful
I = Individual
T = That
C = Can
H = Handle anything

(Author Anonymous)

[Erika]

1. How fantastic

But it's not the GOP submissive way. Women are only an extension as permitted by their man.

[undergroundpanther]

2. We need to bear our fangs...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vagina_dentata
http://www.goddesscafe.com/yoni/dentata.html
http://www.bitcheswithglitches.com/nwn/archives/2005/09/03/vagina_dentata_by_hanna_000374.php

WE need to develop a real working device that can be used in any vulnerable orifices,that only the wearer can take out..to make the price of non consensual penetration castration.

And if the guys get scared,and cry,and clutch thier'dicks' like little boys ashamed, and try to label women who want such safety and equalizing devices barbaric then we must tell them tough, You men had a chance to reform, You have had a very long time to learn how to treat women as your equals. You are unwilling and you don't care because up to now nothing has FORCED you to consider the woman's voice. Beyond a few of your kind who understand..so we will force the issue on all males.. If women had such a device men may finally really know for themselves the fear of what feelings women go through underneath every"encounter" with men,from incest threats to date rape threats from the day they are born in this culture.He will be forced to ask,will she hurt me,or will she be genuine and love me for who I am?

[Erika]

3. Like I've said, women would not play at war

They would get the job done.

[undergroundpanther]

5. That is why we got to get it done

south Dakota all of it . Because peaceful non violence where did it get Ghandi It got him murdered.The fighters behind him is who were the threats. Nonviolence in some ways is a pipe dream.
Sure offer the option.

But if they come after you intending to beat you down,FIGHT!
A bully who gets clobbered soundly does not come back to start shit with someone he finds out he cannot dominate.

http://www.deanesmay.com/posts/1119285037.shtml


The Rote Zora (red zora) from Germany took action and fire bombed pimps cars, buildings, and places that sold pornography etc. When one member was asked why she continues to act illegally she said:

The legal route is not sufficient because the usual repression and structures of violence are legal... It is legal if women traders buy our Third World sisters and sell them to German men... It is legal when women ruin their health and do monotonous work for subsistence wages. These are all violent conditions which we are no longer willing to accept and tolerate and which can't be changed solely by criticism. ...Oppression is only recognized through resistance. Therefore we sabotage, boycott, damage, and take revenge for experienced violence and humiliation by attacking those who are responsible. (11)

http://www.feminista.com/archives/v4n2/woodlock.html

Men have bulliesd women for too long
http://www.bernardball.com/Bullying.html

[Donald Ian Rankin]

11. Rudyard Kipling might well have agreed with you.

I don't, in general. I suspect that a war run by predominantly-female professional soldiers would be little different to one run by predominantly-male professional soldiers.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

17. What does rape have to do with this article?

There's nothing to suggest that the workers there were doing anything that wasn't consensual. I have no problem with women choosing to work in the sex industry.

[FreakinDJ]

4. Kind of dispels the myth

Kind of dispels the myth that women are non-violent

A club official told the Aftonbladet daily that a demonstrator confronted him in a "martial arts posture", that bottles were thrown at bouncers and umbrellas aimed at their heads.

"Even if we are against porn clubs and other activities which use women as objects and exploit them, violence or threats are never a good means to change things," she said.
http://www.thelocal.se/article.php?ID=1393&date=20050508

[undergroundpanther]

6. Non violent?

I am NON violent to non violent people who treat me as thier equal.

But if some asshole decides to get bullying with me, or bullies others who don't know how to defend themselves I get the claws out.So if said bully threatens my well being or violates my bodily consent and I will respond as needed even if I hasve to I will smash thier fucking face in and make them wish they didn't try me. I am a panther I use my fangs and claws on bullies and I use my words to sting thier egos.. Non -violent,non bullying,non manipulating ,non sociopathic,non sexist,non-bigot people have nothing to fear from me.
I might get frustrated but I do not hurt people unless they attempt to hurt me. Once that first move to dominate is made I will put an end the bullshit.

I can get violent when people around me attack or they refuse or cannot defend themselves from violent people attacking.

[silverojo]

10. Same here

I don't like to fight unnecessarily (it's tiring!), but I stand up for myself verbally when needed, and would do my best physically if (heaven forbid) it came to that. I carry pepper spray every second I'm out of the house, and have used it to keep three potential attackers at bay.

Fighting back works.

[niyad]

7. first of all, you might have indicated that there were several paragraphs

between the two that you posted, that might have made the statements slightly more comprehensible.

second, did anyone HAPPEN to notice that the situation did not turn violent until the testosterone-overloaded men chose to make it so?

third, women are conditioned, trained and brainwashed to NOT be physically violent, so that the men don't have anything to fear when they choose to attack them.

many years ago, when I was very young and idealistic, I thought that simply educating men would eliminate their violent and hateful behavior toward women, the rapes, the battering, all of it. It took a few years until I came to the conclusion that the fastest way to stop it would be to teach women to defend themselves--to black belt level, ideally--so that when a man decided to try--he faced the distinct possibility that he was going to get the crap beat out of him.

[NMMNG]

8. Not to mention

Police arrested a total of 16 women, including six 17-year-olds, and eight men. By Sunday morning, they had all been released, pending possible charges for aggravated assault, Nordberg said.

Both men *and* women were arrested. In the next paragraph:

A club official told the Aftonbladet daily that a demonstrator confronted him in a "martial arts posture", that bottles were thrown at bouncers and umbrellas aimed at their heads.

Who confronted the club official "in a martial arts posture"? Who threw bottles and aimed umbrellas? Men or women? The article doesn't say.

So much for the broad-brush statement about women and violence. :eyes:

[bliss_eternal]

9. LOL--Buffy

You beat me to it. :hi: ;)

[mongo]

15. Both men and women were arrested

But only men were sent to the hospital.

The bottles were being thrown at the club's bouncers -- it's obvious that the protesters were the violent party.

It's really sad to see so many cheering on the violent occupation of a legal business. How would you feel if a group of fundies with baseball bats blocked a women's clinic that happened to perform abortions?

[NMMNG]

19. Where did I cheer on the violence?

The protest started off peaceful: Initially peaceful, the demonstration turned violent after three men, two club staff and one client, confronted the demonstrators Stockholm police inspector Anders Nordberg told AFP.


And it's possible the bouncers instigated the violence: "When two bouncers attacked two women, the others acted to prevent their friends from being dragged into the club," a demonstrator, Monica Johansson, told the TT news agency, denying that baseball bats were used.

While that doesn't excuse the violence by any means, if the women were fighting in self-defense it puts things in a different light than if they were just there having a brawl.


I don't support violence for any reason, except absolutely necessary self-defense. This is just one of those situations where the article does not give a clear enough picture of what happened. Who actually started the fight and what weapons were really used (Police said the protesters appeared to have used baseball bats and umbrellas in the fight--"appeared"?--what did they do, vanish into thin air before the police arrived?)?

[mongo]

14. Oh yeah, the MEN chose to make it violent

three men were badly injured and taken to hospital with head and face injuries. Police said the protestors appeared to have used baseball bats and umbrellas in the fight.


Gee, why did these women show up with BASEBALL BATS if they did not intend violence?

How much different is this group than those that advocate killing abortion doctors and their ilk?

[benevolent dictator]

22. Perhaps they were

anticipating violence. Being prepared for violence is not the same thing as instigating it. The article really just doesn't give enough detail.

[BoneDaddy]

12. Wow

shame this really never amounts to anything other than speech. In a real battle, you would most likely lose. It is not a judgement at all. But when you speak with violence, then you better be damn well able to meet it. It is not a game, it is not a sorority prank, nobody will come and pick you up, dust you off and send you on your way with a pat on the head.

[Finder]

13. "most likely lose"?.....

Winners are usually those who have been underestimated.

[mongo]

16. Everyone who is cheering this on should be ashamed of themselves

How different is this violent occupation of a legal business from what the fundies would like to do to anyplace that performs abortions?

This kind of violence should be condemmed.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

18. I agree. nt

:thumbsup:

[Kipling]

20. Real idiots.

"Let's go in with the baseball bats, that'll certainly win over support." In a modern democracy it is simply not acceptable to injure those who you disagree with.

[Lilith Velkor]

21. It is wrong to scapegoat other women for their choices

To me, a woman's right to do what she wants with her body includes dancing naked, or even prostitution. Did these so-called feminists even bother to let the strippers know what was going on, or did they just bar them in like cattle?

The women and men in the sex industry are human beings trying to survive just like everybody else. IMO a real feminist would reach out to these women instead of further marginalizing and alienating them. Damn this shit makes me mad.

You know I love ya panther, but we just don't see eye to eye on the pr0n thing. S'no biggy. :shrug: