Ugh, check out the current issue of Harper's

[Lydia Leftcoast]

There's an article by a writer who went "undercover" with a group tour to Ukraine for men who are looking for wives. (Can't provide a link, because Harper's doesn't put its content online till the following month.)

He was NOT impressed with his fellow tour group members, by and large, and thought their attitudes were quite retro. It was easy to see why these guys were having trouble in the States, because from what they said, I can guess that they sent off intensely angry vibes that any sensible woman stays away from. However, even such losers can do well in a country like Ukraine, where the economy is so bad that marrying some bozo and staying with him just long enough to get a green card sounds like a plan.

The author told of a gathering in one decrepit town attended by a large variety of Ukrainian women. He noticed that the men, most of them at least middle-aged, were chasing after the twentysomethings and thirtysomethings and leaving the women their own age standing on the sidelines. Of course, judging from the descriptions of the men, the older women were probably lucky that the guys ignored them.

[bumblebee1]

1. Older women, no matter where they are from,

can easily call middle aged men on their bs. A bozo is a bozo whether he is Ukrainian or an American. Twenty somethings don't have the experience to know bs when they hear it. It never occurs to them to question why some 40 or 50 year old man is interested in them. The thirtysomethings should know better. These guys sound pathetic. Their insecurity leads them to get women they know they can be in charge of.

[Warpy]

2. There have been equivalent articles about the kind of man

who searches Asia for a bride. Generally speaking, they're two or three time losers, overly controlling, often violent assholes that multiple women have left, married or not. They are especially attracted to Asian women because they think Asian women are doormats.

That doesn't apply to military men who find wives there. They're often quite normal. I'm talking about the mail order bride booklet cruisers who go over there to meet prospects.

Some articles have gone on to say that the marriages were often very satisfying to the men as long as the women had not learned English. Once they learned English, they became some sort of a threat, and all those abandonment issues popped up and the nasty, controlling behavior started.

Attractive, uncomplaining, personal servants they can boink. That's what they want.

[bumblebee1]

3. Ah, yes!!!

The old maid during the day and a whore in the bedroom at night.

[Captain Hilts]

4. Moscow was a sexual smorgasboard for men when I lived there.

1993.