"Seattlest Interviews an Anti-Lap-Dance Stripper"

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http://www.seattlest.com/archives/2006/11/09/seattlest_interviews_an_antilapdance_stripper.php#comment-656140


This "discussion" was related to the Seattle referendum that would have required a "4 foot" distance rule between strippers and patrons.

The stripper was for the rule.

Quite the obnoxious comments by quite a few men show that they don't care one eye lash for any of these women. And seem quite offended that someone would strip and not think that the "johns" were all wonderful beings... :eyes:

The men seem quite unable to imagine what it would be like to be one of these women. And are quite in denial about that the system favors the men - and esp. the strip club owners (who were the ones campaigning against the rule - since they saw it as losing money for themselves).

[Mythsaje]

1. I, for one, can't see what guys see in these places

in the first place. Oh, wait. Let me spend lots of money so women can PRETEND to be interested in me.

Woo-hoo.

Believe me...the guys (stupid as they are) are as much victims as the dancers. The ONLY ones coming out on top are the management (who are usually sleezier than you can imagine). Some of the dancers like what they do--they think it's empowering.

I think it's all another scam.

[TheCowsCameHome]

2. I wouldn't touch this one with a four foot pole.............

[bliss_eternal]

3. I knew a few women that used to dance in clubs...

before lap dances were a required part of working there. When the overt pandering for tips started, they bailed--having saved up enough by then, fininshed school, etc. I feel badly for women that still work in the clubs and have to deal with this crap--they should be able to decide for themselves how close, far they are comfortable with. It all sounds like a big, fat pain in the ass.

I can't speak for those that do this, I can only speak for me--but I have issues when people in the store stand too close to me while I'm waiting in line. :scared: I like boundaries. So I know I couldn't be that close to some guy's lap.

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6. I find it funny that I shared my opinion

and you seemed to think that was license for you to be crude and insulting.

Anywhere that a human being works they "get to be empowered" if they make the effort to assert themselves and state what their rights are--and make an effort to assert themselves for their rights.

There will always be those that sit on the sidelines and "call them names" and say how silly it is to do so. Guess where that puts you? How very progressive. :eyes:

Let me guess, you post in a women's rights forum because it gives you a thrill to call women "prostitutes" and slam them for the choices they make to earn a living. :eyes: Nice. :sarcasm:

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7. "A strip club isn't where women get to be empowered..."

Why does any business have the right to degrade people - just because they are able to hire them?

Maybe it's because I read the book, The Jungle at a certain age - but it's never been my idea that business owners have the right to degrade people - require them to work under degrading circumstances - just because some people feel like they have to do a certain job to get by or whatever.

Why shouldn't there be protections for people - a four foot rule? If every place had it - there wouldn't have to be a race to the bottom.

It's easy to say that someone shouldn't be something. I say that about people in the military. It's not like anyone HAS to join. But obviously some people do. And when they find out what it is really like - instead of like the commercial - they should quit. Because we all know how easy that is. :sarcasm:

I suspect with the strippers - that a lot of them would like to be strippers - and don't want to be prostitutes - don't want to see one as the same thing as the other. Or that one HAS to be the other. And they wouldn't have to be the same - if there were legal boundaries and protections - like this law would have been.

I think the only people defending the club owners would be the club owners and those who have learned to dehumanize women. And I think the comments posted at the link bear that out.

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8. And P.S.

RE:

I find it funny that women seem to think they can "fight for their rights" when they are basically being prostitutes.


Everyone has a right to fight for their rights.


And nobody has a "right" to degrade others.

[bliss_eternal]

9. ....!

Well said! :hi:

[Warpy]

10. I'm always astounded by the level of hatred men have

toward female sex workers, even when they patronize those workers frequently though porn, strip clubs, escort services, lotion parlors, or outright prostitution.

They seem to hold any woman who'd let a man "do THAT" to them in contempt, and that extends to their wives, girlfriends, mothers, and any other woman who has the misfortune to come anywhere near them.

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11. It doesn't make any sense to me.

Violet Socks brings up a related question - and I think it's valid:

Quick question: do people who like pornography think sex is dirty?

....is it possible that a lot of people who like porn are also people who are very tuned into that whole “sex is dirty” feeling? The feeling, not the intellectual belief, because of course they’re two different things. If so, then that might explain why so many pro-porners assume that those of us who dislike porn really just think sex is dirty. Projection, or simply the human tendency to imagine that everyone else thinks and feels the way we do.

http://www.reclusiveleftist.com/?p=463

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Some men try very hard to argue that people who are against the degradation of women and for women's rights are against sex. Maybe it's that they realize that they have an unsupportable position and that is the only way they can defend it. But maybe they have a really screwed up idea of sex (and women), anyway - and just don't understand any other way of looking at it.

[MannyGoldstein]

5. Gues I'll Stop Going To Seattle For Strippers

Back to Montreal for me.

[mongo]

12. So why is this woman still stripping?

Given that you really, really seem to hate stripping, why are you still doing it?

Who's gonna pay me $100-$300 an hour to wash their laundry, work at Carl's Jr., cashier for a convenience store, sell coffee, babysit kids, or anything else that doesn't involve sticking my bouncing breasts and little-girl shaved genitals in men's faces? Men have a real racket going on. Those of us "lucky" enough to be fuckably hot can submit ourselves sexually to men for sacks of cash no ugly or fat women will be offered for working at Wal-Mart or anywhere else. Minimum wage is the best offered to ugly girls without a high school degree (hard to study with Poppy's dick in me afterschool. GEDs are shit), but I won the genetic lottery and with it what comes behind male-dominated door #2. Surprise!

Kind of says it all -- except "men have a real racket going on"?

An ugly man without a high school degree (taking care of a drug addicted mom?) can get a job slinging 50lb boxes around at Walmart for minimum wage. An even less attractive job than cashiering.