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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 01:49 PM
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Women's Rights/Animal Rights
I particularly love the Alice Walker quote:


The Feminist-Animal Rights Connection


Violence against women and eating meat are interconnected forms of oppression. Both are forms of dominionism, a global social hierarchy maintained by brute force and fear. Its credo is "might makes right."

Language facilitates violence against animals and women by causing us to unconsciously internalize oppression, according to The Sexual Politics of Meat by Carol J. Adams. "Not only is our language male-centered, it is human centered as well," she said. Animals are refered to as "it," implying they are inanimate unfeeling objects. Women are also demeaned in sexist language.

The Webster's definition of "husband" is the "male head of the household". To "husband" is "to use and employ to good purpose and best advantage," as in "animal husbandry". "Wife" comes from the word for "veiled" and also means "the female of a pair of mated animals."

Scripture (the word of "god" written by men) is male-supremacist and is used to justify the both human domination of animals and male domination of women. Consider the following:

"Wives, submit yourselves unto your husbands, for the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church." Ephesians 5:23-24.

"A woman must never be free of subjugation." Hindu code of Manu V.

"Suffer not woman to teach nor to usurp authority over the man." Timothy 2:11-15.

In Genesis 1:2, "god" supposedly granted humans dominion over "all the wild beasts that move upon the earth." As feminist writer Simone de Beauvior said, "Man enjoys the great advantage of having a god endorse the code he writes. . . and the fear of god will keep women in their place."

The "absent referent" is a paradoxical use of language in which something is both present and absent. "Veal" refers to "meat" but not the calf. The helpless baby animal is absent as a being and present only as meat. "Animals are made absent through language that renames dead bodies before consumers participate in eating them," said Adams.

The literal suffering of one group is obscured when its suffering is appropriated as a metaphor for the suffering of another. If a raped woman says she felt "like a piece of meat," the absent referents are animals since their death experience (being killed for meat) now describes a life experience of humans (rape).

The bondage equipment of pornography (cattle prods, dog collars, chains and ropes) also recalls the domination of animals. So does calling women "bitches" and "chicks." Women, especially feminists, are morally challenged. How can women expect humane treatment by power-wielding male supremacists if they themselves use power to exploit animals?

"The ethic of human domination removed animals from the sphere of human concern but it also legitimized the ill treatment of those humans who were in a supposedly animal condition," Adams said. The suffering of these groups has been so great that its use as metaphor may be exploitive, such as the holocaust of the Jews and the slavery of black people. However, Alice Walker who wrote "The Color Purple," dared to connect human and animal suffering when she visited a factory farm, saying, "I can never not know that the chicken I absolutely saw is a sister," she said.

By avoiding metaphors and acknowledging the literal suffering of animals and humans, she made both visible and equally evil. As Adams said,"Could metaphor itself be the undergarment to the garb of oppression?"

Animal Rights and Feminism

The animal rights and women's rights movements are interconnected. Both women and animals are dominated by brute force used by those who occupy the higher rungs of the patriarchal hierarchy which currently runs the planet. Feminists must make the connecton between animal rights and the rights of women. Since people who are cruel to animals are more likely to abuse their fellow humans, it follows that an attitude of respect for animals provides the foundation of a moral code that requres respect for each other.
Men who batter women are often cruel to animals. Batterers may hurt or kill the battered womens' pets in order to send the message that the same fate may happen to her if she dares to oppose him.

Biblical myths give men divine permission to dominate both women and animals.This arrogant belief system assumes animals and nature exist only for the benefit of humans. In Genesis 1:2 God supposedly said, "Be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth and subdue it, and have dominion over the fish of the sea and the fowl of the air and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth." Thus, humans placed themselves above animals who supposedly had no souls which meant their suffering no longer mattered.

Peter Singer in his book "Animal Liberation " said, "It can no longer be maintained by anyone but a religious fanataic that man is the special darling of the whole universe, or that we have divine authority over animals and divine permission to kill them."

It was once believed that women also had no souls.

The 17th century philosopher Descartes believed that since animals had no souls, they could not feel pleasure or pain. They were merely clockwork automatons whose cries when struck, "were only the noise of a little spring that had been touched but that the whole body was without feeling." Soon after these beliefs became popular, the widespread practice of vivisection began.

Anesthetics were yet to be invented.

A more compassionate view towards animals was held by Jeremy Bentham, a 17th century writer who said, "The question is not, 'Can they reason?' nor 'Can they talk?' but 'Can they suffer?' " He was one of the first to denounce "man's dominion" as tyranny by comparing the position of animals with that of black slaves. It isn't hard to see how easily those holding Descarts'e views could enslave millions of human beings and ignore the cries coming from the filthy holds of the slave ships. In a similiar manner, men who are numb to animal suffering are more prone to abuse women and children.

Treating animals with compassion means making major changes in our awareness which leads to changes in our lifestyle. Becoming a vegetarian is the most effective way to avoid supporting factory farms, egg ranches and many other industries which put profit above the compassionate treatment of animals. The owners of factory farms give as little thought to the suffering of animals crammed into filthy pens as the slave traders did to the welfare of their human cargo.

The dominant consciousness of the planet is still dominionism; the "god" given "right" to dominate animals and women. However, a more compassionate worldview is emerging as feminist consciousness spans the globe. Humans will never end war and brutality against each other until they learn to feel compassion toward the non-human inhabitants of the planet.



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twilight_sailing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 01:56 PM
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1. Why do you hate carrots?
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 01:59 PM
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3. I won't be baited. You are now ignored.
Try reading, cracking a book. The link between women's rights and animal rights has been around for a long, long time.

You are now invisible.
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twilight_sailing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 02:01 PM
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5. Invisible to YOU.
The point I made lives on.
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 03:21 PM
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12. In order for a point to live on, you need a point in the first place.
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twilight_sailing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 03:27 PM
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13. It's there. If you can't see it, that's not my problem.
Have a nice day.
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 09:03 PM
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24. ROTFL -- Yeah, in your imagination
This is the 2nd time I've encountered you, that I know of, on all of DU, and I'm not impressed with the "points" you THINK you make.

At all.

Dream on.
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foxfroggy Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 02:40 AM
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27. How unsurprising
You post a rather absurd polemic that we must equate eating meat with oppressing women, yet cannot take the slightest criticism? Give me a break.

Animal rights means different things to different people, but while radical vegetarianism and PETA extremism trying to glom on to the issue of women's rights is, at best, pathetic.

I've been a "radical feminist" probably from before you were born and I do not oppress my sisters when I have a slice of bacon. Let's try to deal with real oppression and keep the animal rights issue where it belongs, as a separate subject.

I suppose it never occurred to anyone that there is more than a little negative spin on giving the rights of a tasty cow equal importance to those of a woman. I'd like to think this whole thing is a set-up by those who do not believe in equal human rights, but I seen too many people gullible enough to buy what PETA and other extremists sell.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 01:58 PM
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2. most excellent post on vday, and I thank you for sharing it. kicked and recommended.
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 02:00 PM
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4. Thank-you! n/t
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 02:05 PM
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6. It just goes to show that there are nutcases everywhere.
Edited on Wed Feb-14-07 02:05 PM by damntexdem
And they do not hesitate to stoop to equating their nutcase concerns with important human-rights concerns.

Hmm, I think I'll go have some veal for dinner.
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 02:07 PM
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9. Alice Walker is not a nutcase...but you are...
...and you are now ignored.
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 02:05 PM
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7. Great post, and great book. I do make one very small exception, however
I am very good friends with quite a lot of people who are in the BDSM community, and they view their lifestyle and sexual preference choices as being fully-consensual among adults and are not only safe players, but also would like society to stop comparing BDSM to violent abuse, including rape.

Yes, there is play that appears violent or dominant, however it is not anywhere near comparable to the very real abuses that woman suffer daily all over the world, in that the person playing the role of the submissive (who is just as frequently a man) in BDSM generally has the upper hand in what is acceptable during play, and can choose to end a session immediately.

I realize this is splitting hairs on an extremely small part of this great post, but they have a valid point.

Anyway, The Sexual Politics of Meat is a wonderful book, and I agree with you about not only how widespread such abuse is, but also that it is so ingrained that most people will simply roll their eyes or otherwise ridicule the stance.
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 02:10 PM
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10. Good point
Consenting adults.
Lee
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 04:51 PM
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15. Great post!
:thumbsup:
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mongo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 12:15 PM
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18. Thanks for saying that unpossibles N/T
Somebody had too...
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 02:06 PM
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8. I forgot to give the link
http://got.net/~elained/animalrights.html

There's tons of stuff out there on this. This is just one.
Lee
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 02:13 PM
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11. please check your inbox
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 04:40 PM
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14. I don't understand
I absolutely do not understand people who have no compassion.

I can understand people for whom this is a complex issue. I get that. I really do. It's the ones who don't consider it an issue at all, I don't get.

I have friends who eat meat. ...but they really get the complexity of the issue. They would never eat veal, where the calves are locked up in tiny spaces, where their legs can't even move, while they are fattened up and crippled, at the same time. They only eat free range chickens, etc.

For people to not care at all about the feelings and rights of animals, who don't care if animals are tortured, who don't care at all about the pain they suffer, well, to me, it's true sociopathic behavior. To make a Live Being so much The Other you can't see it's pain, IS sociopathy. That's actually part of the definition.

For me, the issue is not complex. For me, the issue is simple. ...but I can at least listen to the views of those who see this as complex but are sensitive and compassionate AND RESPECTFUL. It's the asshats and the sociopaths and the disrespectful ones, I don't get. Why, unless you are a sociopath, would you feel a need to spit in the faces of people for whom this issue is heartfelt. Sociopathy...one of the basic symptoms, cruelty to animals. ...by proxy makes it no less.

Women, children and animals...all considered chattel by the Far Right.

...but I will say this, if one of THOSE types, the sociopaths...and I were in a plane together and it crashed in the Andes and they seemed kind of wobbly and woozy, I might reconsider. Long Pig, yum.

"The time will come when men such as I
will look upon the murder of animals
as they now look on the murder of men."
*Leonardo da Vinci...artist/scientist*

Lee
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 04:59 PM
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-14-07 05:16 PM
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17. Cracks Me Up
...becaue "My DU" will say there is a post to read and I go and there's nothing because the sociopath is on Ignored. *snerk*
Lee
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mongo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 12:53 PM
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19. There's a difference between compassion for animals
and this over the top rhetoric that cheapens the women's movement.

saying, "I can never not know that the chicken I absolutely saw is a sister," she said.

Geesh.

What about compassion for the undocumented workers picking your vegatables for less than a livable wage, the workers in the slaugherhouses (esp. chickens) that suffer repetative strain injury after only a few months?

Yeah, we have big problems with factory farming, but frankly I'm much more concerned with the workers in those industries and food safety issues.

Next time you're in the supermarket, think about the dominion you are exercising over the migrant worker that picked your veggies, the checkout person who (most likely) makes less than you and can't even afford to buy the more expensive items in your cart, the truck driver who most likely had to falsify his logs and drive more hours than the law allows because his company demands it, the slaughterhouse employee whose hands and wrists are fucked up forever from the repetative strain, etc.

And yes, I practice dominion over animals. I've put meat that I raised and slaughtered on my families table. If anything, I'm proud of it.
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 01:10 PM
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20. Well Bully For You
Who the fuck said I don't care about those things. I haven't eaten a grape in 30 years. I knew Cesar Chavez and my main political activity has been with the Farm Workers. Oh and my father's family were migrant farm workers.

I think hunting and hunters are evil. It's not JUST about the animal, in that case, it's what it shows that someone can get enjoyment out of looking at an animal and killing it.

I am vegan and I don't wear leather and you can care about more than ONE thing. I shop at one of the last true food co-ops in the country and I watch what I eat and how it is produced. Don't make assumptions about me.

...and humans aren't the only life on the planet. They just act like they are. All life is equally important to me. You can't change that about me. ...but you can now be on my Ignored List.
Lee
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 01:16 PM
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21. Lastly
Edited on Thu Feb-15-07 01:22 PM by Madspirit
In my field we call people who get enjoyment out of hurting animals "sociopaths". Well, actually the correct DSM term is Anti-Social Personality Disorder.

...and there is nothing wrong with Alice Walker and the link between the women's movement and animal rights is historically a long link. It doesn't cheapen anything.

Have a nice day oh ignored one. Maybe the link between The Compassionate Ones and Neanderthals like you, cheapens things.
Lee
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mongo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-15-07 05:54 PM
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22. Weel, I don't know what I said that was so inflamitory
to be called a neandrathral sociopath.

I guess no ones allowed to disagree with you.

And just for the record, a pattern of posting flame-bait threads and then putting everyone who calls you on it on ignore is troll-like behavior.
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kdmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 09:04 AM
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25. "I think hunting and hunters are evil"
That's REALLY black and white thinking. I think hunting for sport it pretty evil, too, but I've encountered far too many people in the really poor areas of the country that would starve to death if it wasn't for the deer that they killed before winter set in. They canned their own vegetables in the summer, too. And they regretted having to kill the animal, but when it come down to raw survival and you can't afford food of your own... it's not evil. Not everyone enjoys killing the animals when they go hunting. Sometimes, they are just relieved that their children won't starve.

You sure do put a lot of people on ignore, you know that? That's kind of weird behavior from someone who reportedly wants to have a discussion.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 02:05 PM
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23. That sums up a large part of why I'm a vegetarian...
...thank you.

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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 06:25 PM
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26. Identifying harm to animals with harm to humans is letting the heart overrule the head.
Edited on Sun Feb-18-07 06:27 PM by Donald Ian Rankin
Wanton cruelty to animals, especially more intelligent animals, is clearly immoral, but it's in no way comparable to harming a human capable of language and rational thought.

Killing a human is far more worse than killing a chimpanzee or dolphin than that is worse than swatting a mosquito.

Animal rights may be an important issue, but comparing them with human rights like this does both causes a disservice.

In particular, let me highlight as fallacious the following chain of reasoning: "We justify doing harm to animals for our own good because they're subhuman. People have historically justified doing bad things to women/jews/ blacks etc on the grounds that they were subhuman. They were wrong to do those things. Therefor we are wrong to do things to animals."
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 04:38 PM
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28. i think this is bullshit.
take a look at india. the more vegetarian parts of india have a higher rate of oppression of women than the ones that are meateaters (rajasthan vs bengal).

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