Two Approaches to Porn Reform

[Boojatta]

I welcome suggestions for a choice of words that is better than "porn reform."

1. Produce some kind of porn that is different from and not as bad an influence as standard porn.

2. Produce two-part films. The first part is standard porn. The second part is a documentary about the harmful effects of porn.

[madeline_con]

1. How 'bout. if you don't like porn....

don't look at it? :think:

[saltpoint]

2. Pornographic films are popular because large parts of Western culture

is fearful of the body.

It's too bad Robert Altman didn't make a porn film. I bet it would have been a very good one.

Just my take on the issue, but it seems that the allure of pornography is its taboo-smashing power, and that its shortcoming is that it's dull and predictable.

Only the most talented directors should make it, and then for art and not profit alone.

[mitchtv]

3. I like how it influences me

No "reform" other than lower prices. Fasten your seatbelts:hide: :popcorn:

[defendandprotect]

4. IMO, women have to develop a civil rights argument against porn as hatefilled propaganda ----

not to censor it --- but to proceed as every other civil rights action/movement has proceeded ---

information/awareness/consciousness raising ---

[defendandprotect]

5. and like any other civil rights movement we need to keep looking at the "user" ---

and those who profit . ..

[mitchtv]

7. I'll stick with the constitution

Thanks anyway

[defendandprotect]

17. I'll stick with Constitutional right to protest porn as anti-civil rights ----

[madeline_con]

9. There are "users" and profiteers of all genders.

Your implied generalizations are untrue and unfair.

[mitchtv]

12. besides there are no women in the porn

I see

[madeline_con]

16. Never mind

[defendandprotect]

18. What "generalizations" . . . ?? Users may be male and female . .. how is that unfair?

[defendandprotect]

19. Those exploited, however, remain primarily female --- with whole new worlds of

international sexual slavery taking off with the rise of the right --

and encompassing not only females, but widespread use and abuse of children ---

[Boojatta]

6. The Original Post doesn't propose censorship.

[mitchtv]

10. sure it does

changing content is censorship

[Boojatta]

11. Schopenhauer scheduled his lectures at the same time as

Hegel's lectures. If people had dealt with the conflict by going to Schopenhauer's lectures rather than Hegel's lectures, then would Schopenhauer have been engaged in censorship?

[mitchtv]

13. Ask the director....If you eliminate the sermon on the mount

....If you eliminate the sermon on the mount;It is edited to a point of censorship
that is why we have a free press. so we don't have "requirements"

[mitchtv]

15. No, that's competition

The motion picture engaged in this kind of censorship for years, throught the 40s and 50s. The twin bed era when one foot had to be on the floor when two adults were on a bed together. COMPETITION is a different thing altogether. The Valley makes what sells. If there is a market for what you suggest, great, as long as there is no coercion

[madeline_con]

8. To what end?

Some porn is made BY women FOR women.

Some women enjoy it, whomever may have made it, and some are actually stupid enough to believe it's their "only choice" for employment.

If a woman feels degraded she should get out of the industry. She has no right to try to destroy or cripple that industry, however.

[dusmcj]

14. without the right head change in society you've done nothing

why does most porn suck, no pun intended ? Cause it rarely escapes from the social constructions of sex in the context of that anachronism of tribal subsistence societies, the lifelong monogamous pair bond (which is really a socioeconomic optimization as constructed by orthodox society, which really hasn't evolved much beyond the watchfire and the straw bed on the damp cave floor). Along with the degenerations thereof, including dominance relations, consumptive sexuality, and just plain dull-witted humping.

I recently noticed that some of it's been getting wetter, I mean better: Even 10 years ago most het porn encounters were reliably about woman acting out her traditional role of passive drawing-in and attraction with the occasional volcanic outburst once she's been convinced it's OK to f*ck, and the object she draws in a virile tower of studly penetrative power who can give her the deep probing she really wants (cable softcore is the reference example for this, has no one suggested to them that it's well-known that better results can be obtained (in terms of depth, not to speak of girth, if that's what's at issue) through a 20-minute visit to goodvibrations.com ?). At the end in the middle and/or beforehand there are some nods to love and tenderness. These days the permutations are way more interesting, the encounters much more unapologetically about shared and individual pleasure and sensuality, and the tenderness and emotional interaction much less beholden to traditional social constraints about how it all has to be sanctioned by an intimate relationship. You used to have to leave the het world and head for gay porn (lesbian in my case, I'm a guy) to get this (take Andrew Blake as a reference example), now it's more broadly prevalent across the board. Porn these days actually turns me on, vs. being something to mostly fast forward through.

The good kind. There are still tons of retardates who might as well be schtupping a fistful of ground meat they bought at the market, and then of course the real filth like Max Hardcore who ought to be caned daily until they're put in touch with their own issues regarding brutality. Lowbrow will always be around, and in a nod to our political setting here, it definitely gets worse when Republicans are in power.

The short: porn is just a reflection of society at large (which is quite consistent, given that it's currently above all a commodity - satisfying demand and all that). Some of us are lucky enough to be working on the path to evolving beyond the tribe and living the potential that the lights of the Reformation and the Enlightenment, as well as some of the nonwestern traditions, pointed at. When we all get there, sex will be (responsible) fun without all sorts of irrational conflations with unrelated phenomena (kind of like marriage vs. legal status of your household), and porn will reflect that.

Cheers, and solidarity, I have to go, uhh, take care of some business now, that's it ;)

[defendandprotect]

20. The internet has now reached out to expand and yet at the same time cloak the world of porn ---

It expands into child pornography, bordering with adult porn ---

And, it is something that many people aren't looking at ---
yet it is a deep hole for others among us to dwell in ---

This is a wider world of pornography to be exposed ---
and we need to expose it all ---

From the booths were males masturbate while watching hard-core porn ---
to the world within the world of porn --- the exploitation of females --
the force and the fear ---

and the illusions put forth that this is a preferred business for females --
or even highly desired by females ---