Proposed New DU Group - Social Security - Pissed Off Middle-Agers

[mermaid]

OK, so that won't exactly be the name of the group, but that is the tenor of the group I'm proposing.

It is high time we middle-aged folks got PISSED about Social Security! WE are the ones, in the 30-45 age group, who will get screwed over the hardest by the propsed reforms.

This group will discuss strategies and ideas for reforming Social Security equitably...and strategies for fighting the current proposal.

Let's face it...my own ideas begin with taking the wealth cap off social Secuirty contributions!! This is a regressive tax!! Once you have earned, I think it is $88,000, you no longer have to pay ANYTHING out of your income to Social Security!

No, every red cent of EVERYONE'S earnings ought to be subject to the FICA tax. No cut-off!

Second, if they want to establish private accounts, well, then, people like US...who have been PAYING IN for fifteen to 25 YEARS...well, we should start with something in our accounts!!

Why is it fair that I, who have been paying in for over fifteen years...and have about 20 less years to make good money under the new system...why should I start at the same ZERO that 18 year olds just entering the system start at??

They say in the stock market an investment doubles every seven years. Fine. Then my approximately $25,000 I have paid, over the years, in FICA taxes would have quadrupled in fifteen years, so MY account should START at $100,000!!

anything less is CRIMINAL THEFT!!

I'm pissed, and it's time more in my age group GOT PISSED!! We're the ones who will be hurt worst by this proposed plan. the old will get theirs. The young have plenty of time, and little or nothing invested into the current system.

WE, who are in the middle...WE ARE THE ONES GETTING SCREWED!!

Join me!

Let's get pissed off together!

I propose the group be called Social Security Solutions.

I propose all are welcome to join and participate, but the MAIN FOCUS shouldbe on us middle-agers with the most to lose.

The tenor should be anywhere from calm, to raging pissed, like me.

The threads should be about estabishing strategies to fight the current proposal...and strategies for equitable and fair reform for Social Security that will keep social Security alive for generations to come. and startegies for presenting these options that come out of our symposium to our elected officials.

I need ten donor starred members to endorse this proposed group, by saying they will join and participate in these discussions.

The mission statement and goals/objectives of this group are NOT yet set in stone, please, let us discuss any chages you wish to see in the above proposal.

Once we have a firm group of interested, donor-starred participants, and a clear mission, objective, and strategy, I will propose the creation of our group to the Administrative Team.

For now, please merely express an interest in a Group to discuss these issues...and any proposals you have for our general mission, and group tenor, and strategy as well as content.

THIS IS NOT THE THREAD TO SOUND OFF ON BEING PISSED ABOUT SOCIAL SECURITY!! I only did it to grab attention. I merely want people to express interest...and any proposals they have for any changes/modifications in the proposed group's mission and strategy statements.

Thank you.

[alittlelark]

1. I am in the last year of the 'baby boomers'

I am sooo royally screwed, and happy to join in the formation of this group!

[Cha]

2. Why is the last year of the

Baby Boomers getting so screwed?

I'm going to get my SS in two years..hopefully! I got into politics in 2000 because of Social Security..I wanted it to be there for me and everyone else who wants what they paid in.

There is an organization called National Committee To Preserve Social Security and Medicare that I belong to that seem to be working hard..

http://www.ncpssm.org/about/mission/

[alittlelark]

4. We were the last year of ^^^ baby production - goes down from

there.... who works, and pays into SS for me? A much reduced population of workers ( after the JFK nuclear scare, ppl produced less offspring).

[phantomvotes]

6. Whoops

wrong place

[alittlelark]

9. Perhaps... if we move to NZ or Vancouver-

<<<<<Poster I responded to had Freeper post.....guess he got scared off>>>>

<to edit I was trying to be cool in my reply>


where we have set up co. branches. Otherwise... I'm gonna keep paying in... if the idiot-in-thief is kept in check by repugs that are desperate to keep their heartland seats - I'll be OK.


If the Anti-Christ ...ie-b*sh gets his way I am F*cked, and will head up one of our overseas branches.

My family fought in the Revolutionary war (2 gen's not DAR due to racist issues). I will not leave unless the IQ/ logical thought quotient goes down even further than it is. I'm not sure how much further it can sink.

[Cha]

3. I hope you get your forum..I will

join and discuss..even though I am older..I still want to help.

[mermaid]

5. OK, So Far We have Two Plus Me....

Let's not debate this stuff on this thread...let's just keep it to interest of the group formation itself, and save the debate for our soon-to-be Forum, okay?

And alittlelark came up with something I have been TRYING for for our name.

I wanted our group name Acronym to come out P.I.S.S.E.D.

So far, between us, we have

Patriots Infuriated at Social Security Eradication ____________.

We need a "D" word which is synonimous with "plans" "efforts" "attempts" "policies" "startegies" something along that line, and we will have our name!

[RaleighNCDUer]

10. and Destruction

That's the whole purpose of the reforms, to destroy SS.

I'd be happy to join the group.

I'm 16 years from retirement, stuck in a job I don't care for but terrified of trying to change with things the way they are. My 401K lost 50% of its value since 2000, and every cent that went into it between 2000 and 2004 just vanished.

I retire in 16 years, and in 17 years I'll be saying 'Good morning, welcome to Wal-Mart'.

Yeah, I'm P.I.S.S.E.D.

[mermaid]

19. Excellent, We Have Now TWO Proposals For Names That Work...

Paid Into Social Security, Expect Dividends

and

Patriots Infuriated with Social Security Eradication and Destruction.

Both work out to form the acronym P.I.S.S.E.D.

Ask your working-age friends...Are you P.I.S.S.E.D. yet??

[mermaid]

23. Another Possible Name

Patriots Infuriated with the Social Security Eradication Design

[notadmblnd]

27. ok count me in.

I'll join your group. what can I do?

[mermaid]

7. OK....Someone Else Came Up With Our Name...

Paid Into Social Security, Expect Dividends!!

[magellan]

8. I'm in

Hey, Mermaid, I'm 42, hubby's 50, so I'm on board with your group. I just posted on your other thread about what P.I.S.S.E.D. could stand for: Paid Into Social Security and Expect Dividends! lol, well, that's my stab at it anyway.

And since I haven't mentioned it yet today, I hate BushCo and their moronic plans with a passion.... :mad:

[thecrow]

11. Raising hand...

I'll join this group!
The cutoff for SS without private accounts is Jan 1, 1950. After that, you can choose whether or not you want to have a private account.
Since I was born two MONTHS after this date, I guess I am one of the people to expect a royal effin'.
So I'll join.

Also please read factcheck.org's article challenging to SOTU speech:
http://www.factcheck.org/article305.html

[proud patriot]

12. well I'm pissed , and passionate

I'd love to contribute not sure what I
can do except have the correct attitude .

We really need to do Something ...

Brainstorm , ideas ...

[magellan]

13. If Mermaid doesn't mind

I'd suggest one of the first things to do is get the information at FactCheck out to everyone we know in our age group who's going to be screwed by bush**'s plan. E-mail people, write LTTEs.

FactCheck.org on SS Bankruptcy and Bush's Plan (Thanks to whoever posted this link above!)

I'd appreciate if someone could explain what specifically is going to happen to those in our age group. I know it's bad, but I'm terrible with math and would appreciate details. Basically I take it we won't see full benefits if we don't go to private accounts?? We'll get a percentage after some time instead??

[mermaid]

14. This Will Be A Topic For The forum...Not This Thread.

but, yes, we will disseminate that and other things.

So far we have six plus me.

we need just a few more donor-starred folks to endorse the group and I can go to the Admins and get us started.

we need to come up, collectively, with a mission statement and some group rules, but I think this should not be too challenging.

Once we have the name, mission, and rules (plus ten participants in place) we can go to Admins and get the group started, so long as they approve of the group, though I don't see why they wouldn't.

It's time we got P.I.S.S.E.D.

[Buns_of_Fire]

15. I'll be happy to do what I can...

Having just turned 54 a week or so ago, I know the feeling, believe me. Having paid into SS for... what? about 35 years? I'm ready to start taking names and kicking ass.

Tell ya what, Bunnypants. If you're hell-bent to do this, direct the Treasury to cut me a check for what the government has taken from me for the last 35 years, and we'll call it even. I won't even attempt to collect from SS, and the younger generations won't have to worry about supporting me in my dotage. Deal?

[Trailrider1951]

16. Count me in, mermaid

I, too, am highly PISSED!! I just turned 53 at the end of November, and that makes me among the most screwed of all. I have paid into SS since 1971, and I jolly well expect to get a return on that money. Chimpy and his gang of thieves be damned!!! Damn it, if I had a car, I would join some of the meet-ups here in Houston. BTW, I'm here on the northwest side of town. Good to see some of us here getting fired up for change! :hi:

[earth mom]

17. I posted a couple of times in the other thread

and though I'm not a starred member yet-I will send off a donation this week-I am in!!!

[mermaid]

18. OK, So Far I Count Eight Plus Me...And The Soon-To-Be Donor-Starred

poster. We are close, folks!

Tell your friends.

Are you P.I.S.S.E.D. yet?

[mermaid]

20. Proposed Mission Statement

To discuss startegies designed to inform others of the inequities of the current proposed privatization of social Security; strategies to defeat same, and to discuss strategies for REAL Social Security reform, which is fair and equitable to all...and ensures Social Security is around for the generations that follow us.

How is that, everyone?? Can we live with that Mission statement?

Any proposed changes/modifications/additions to it? feel free to speak up...this will be OUR group. I'm just the spark plug starting it.

We need just two more donor-starred responses to make an official request of Admins. Or one more if TheGoldenRule obtains their donor star.

[davekriss]

21. I support the establishment of an SS group

Social Security reform is simply the biggest domestic issue, imho, at this time. It deserves discussion in its own group, leading hopefully to focused actions taken in defense of social security.

[mermaid]

22. Thank You...Now We Have Nine Plus Me...

need one more donor-star to make it official.

[tabasco]

24. This is the defining moment for the Democratic party.

Bush's SS thievery must be fought to the death.

A special group for SS would be a good idea. It would allow those who are well-informed about the program to educate the rest of us. The more of us who know how to debate this issue the better.

[mermaid]

25. OK, Tabasco...YOU ARE NUMBER TEN!! (Not counting Me)

So we now have Ten plus me.

I am going to propose our group to Admins.

[mermaid]

26. Admins Have Been Asked To Form Our Group

We now must wait for the reply from Admins as to whether or not they will grant us a Group.

I will post here the result as soon as I know!

If we ARE granted a Group, I'd like all of you to come over and join up, and add it to your Forums. I'll send all of you private emails to let you know.

At that point, all the other discussion topics that were brought up in this thread, and more...can all be disseminated.

I thank all of you for your support.

Now, let's get P.I.S.S.E.D.!!!!

[JHB]

28. Well, I think the acronym is a bit silly, but I'm in.

I've been tracking the fearmongering over SS for ten years now.

We're in a dangerous time, and this is one of the major battlegrounds.

[brokensymmetry]

29. I'd be honored to be a part of this group!

Yes, I would like to be a member.

Yes, I'll participate!

(Is that emphatic enough? :) )

[Sugarbleus]

30. Count me in!

I'm currently on SSDI...I figure I got into that program by the skin of my teeth. I worry what will become of other's in my position IF "Chimpco the Vulgar" get's his way.

Already he is suggesting cutting off other "helps" programs so that those who depend solely on SS may not even have a g.damned place to LIVE!

My daughter is 38. Her working life has been spotty. She just enrolled in College...thank goodness there were a few programs left for her to get any aide for that. I worry about her future in terms of Social Security...AND I want my grandson to have a safty net too. Hell, I want ALL Americans to have that safty net just in case other forms of income they may accumulate over their working lives falls apart.

This is war as far as I'm concerned. I'm glad that my local liberal radio hosts have been harping on saving SS for days and days.

I just purchased a fax/combo machine. I AM READY to fax, write, shout, march...you name it, to blast these burglars in the White House.

If petitioning seems like a way to get a groundswell of voices up to Washington, then I'm all for starting one right here.

TAKE AMERICA BACK NOW!

[DemBones DemBones]

31. As I told you in another thread, I'll sign on for this because

I'm PISSED, too!

[mermaid]

32. We Have Our Group, Folks!! Just Heard From Skinner

He will be setting it up later today, when he sets up another couple of new groups.

So, be looking for it. And come over and join, and let's RRRRRRUMBLE!!!

This is going to be, in my opinion, the defining issue of the Democratic Party, and we need to be sure our voices are heard!

[me b zola]

33. Hi Mermaid

I like the idea, but I've been hesitant because I've been worried that taking the issue out of GDP will result in many people out of the loop. So, I'll make a deal with you. I will join if you will post daily in GDP to let people know about new info or action alerts. Kind of a daily reminder to check in.

[mermaid]

34. We Have Our Group - It's Up And Running!!

Thanks, Skinner!

[KharmaTrain]

35. Sorry I'm late for the show...is there a link?

DU gets downright confusing to navigate these days. Took me forever just to find the bookmark to get here.

Cheers!

[ArchTeryx]

36. I'm all for this forum.

Coming from a 33 year old grad student that hopes to parlay that into a six-figure job some day. I'd be QUITE happy to see the cap lifted.