'3O's Starve Deaths: source for you experts

[oscar111]

For you who like to study the '3O's, here is a source on a hard-to-find key fact:

225 starved to death in the early '3O's in the US.

This source is for 95 deaths in '32. {see part II , E , 5 , a }

I have another source which i will also post in this forum if i get time. Hospital records, NYC.

Folks think no one has ever starved in the US, thus we are superior. Wrong.

The Great Depression

http://www.polytechnic.org/faculty/gfeldmeth/lec.greatdep.html

Here is that other source i mentioned: two books I was referred to by a kind expert.
IIRC, a year back i found the data on the rest of the 225 deaths in one or both of these books, online. Sorry i dont have a direct link handy to online pages right now.

I do recall that these sources are based on hospital records, NYC, and so are excellent sources for a stat that freepers will challenge.

Dixon Wecter, Age of the Great Depression, 16-18. 27, 39.

Lester V. Chandler, America's Greatest Depression, 34-35.
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If you have a source on the real jobless rate peak level, not conservative estimates, pls add to this thread.

If you know how '3O's street crime varied with jobless levels, that also would be good to see. My personal theory is that joblessness'
1. hunger +
2. rent-money-need,
.... drives street crime.
-----"you will be up to your ears in burglars till there are jobs for all".

[Warpy]

1. Those are just the ones who died and were taken to an honest

coroner. Most caved to pressure to list the cause of death as either pneumonia or heart failure.

Don't kid yourself. There was no social safety net and thousands died in the Great Depression, most from a combination of starvation and exposure.

[oscar111]

2. warpy, that fits better with my picture of the thirties

than the claim of no deaths.

with no safety net, i cant see how anything other than thousands dead could have happened.

i think you are exactly right, warpy

[Sugarbleus]

3. Since I joined DU, I've had the time and opportunity to look BACK

This country has never been all that charitable. We had some easier times after WWII, and made headway in the 60's and early 70's...but this country for whatever reason went hog wild for the almighty dollar early on and it's doing that again, unfortunately...

It's every man for himself. I don't know where we got the idea that this was a GREAT country, a Noble Country, it's not. Again, there are people, politicians, agencies and programs that did some fine work for "The People" but it looks like we are sliding backward from those progressive ideals.

You got it spot on when you mention crime in a bad economy. I've been saying that for months and months. Take away average opportunity and HOPE, then stand back and watch out!

Most everyday, especially the underclass, people know that the Government is as crooked as a pretzel. Some folks justify criminal behavior because the government is their role model. If ya ain't got any meat to put on the table, you're going to try to find it elsewhere: food banks or shoplifting. Same with every other commodity including earning some bucks "under the table"...ahem

It's a sad reality we are witnessing and living with...

[oscar111]

4. data now best assembled in Demopedia page Great Depression,

and at a heading something like

STARVATION DEATHS

on that page. I think sources are at the page bottom.

If you have more data, place it in Demopedia, rather than here where it might not be seen.. or both places.

Sugarbleus, i also have been shocked to learn how bad life has been at the bottom all thru our history. Except,as you said, for a bright moment '41 to '68. Roughly. I call it the shadow of FDR... his programs were in force.

Teddy R was good, but his programs did not end povety as well as FDR's IMHO.