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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 07:31 PM
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I have to say it, and this is the only place I can
without upsetting folks that mean well, and I don't want to keep people from being charitable...

FUCK HEIFER INTERNATIONAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Famine and drought? Give a gift of livestock (we all know how efficient THAT is). An "animal gift" is the gift of life...or some shit. Oh, sweet Jesus riding a camel through the eye of a needle, how fucking stupid is this idea?

Just send the folks a frikkin Slaughterball turkey, basted in the blood of the innocent and be done with it.

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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 09:55 PM
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1. This is so hard to get church folks to understand
They've been encouraged to give to this since just after WWII. I just stop mentioning it, and instead draw their attention to Habitat for Humanity, UNICEF and Church World Service. HPI still sends PR crap to my mission chair, and it drives me nuts!
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 11:54 PM
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2. Slightly off topic, but you almost owed me a new keyboard on this one....
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 03:17 AM
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3. I had a hard time restraining myself on Skinner's thread
when I saw all of those people raving about Heifer International. :puke:


They sent me a catalogue a few weeks ago soliciting me for donations it promptly went into the recycle bin. The very idea of giving living animals as gifts to be used and slaughtered makes me sick.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 08:55 AM
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6. I dare you to go post PETA as a suggestion.
Gawd but that would be a riot!!!
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 12:48 AM
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8. A riot?
More like a nuclear explosion :nuke:.
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Branjor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 09:06 AM
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10. Suggest Farm Sanctuary...
as you know what will happen if you suggest PETA.

I got a Heifer International mailing. Don't know how I got on their list except that I get mailings from lots of animal rights and welfare orgaizations and rescues. But when I saw THAT one it went right into the garbage.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 04:51 AM
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4. I have some anti-Heifer talking points here- if anybody wants to steal 'em feel free.
linkie: http://journals.democraticunderground.com/LeftyMom/65

text:

First of all, there's already more than enough food out there to feed the world, so hunger charities that don't address underlying issues of dysfunction in distribution are band-aids on cancer.

Second, excluding the few areas (which outside of the industrial world tend to be sparsely populated) where a plant-based diet can't be supported by the local environment, encouraging further animal agriculture is not a responsible thing to do. Both human health and the health of the planet are negatively impacted by flesh-consuming diets. While Heifer does offer some seed and other more sustainable solutions, as their name suggests the focus is on animal agriculture, which is neither healthy nor sustainable.

Third, there is a certain racist and culturally imperialist element to this. First, in the selection of animals for food. One of Heifers gifts, as their name suggests, is that of a dairy cow. Now most of the world's people can not digest cow's milk- no surprise, no other animal consumes the milk of another so this behavior is an evolutionary oddity- and the ability to do so well is almost exclusively a mutation confined to Northern Europeans. However the attitude in the US and other places largely descended from people with that mutation is that this is a essential food for health of women and children. Science tells us that this is not the case, that it is in fact a potent allergen, and that the concentrated animal protein changes blood chemistry and leeches calcium deposits from the bones. Second, Heifer is a religious charity. Religious charities operating in the developing world aim to proselytize the poorest and least resistant populations, often with the implied (or outright stated in some cases, such as that of Mother Theresa's operation in Calcutta) suggestion that conversion is a requirement for aid or a way to get more help. As such, I'm extremely wary of religiously-motivated charities except in cases where their track record of respect for their beneficiaries is clearly established, as with Habitat for Humanity. Giving people a little food in exchange for changing a part of their culture seems like a poor trade.

I'd keep my money and time with more forward thinking organizations that have a greater focus on environmental responsibility and addressing the inequities in food distribution that cause hunger. Food Not Bombs is a good option, in my opinion. Here's a link to some other organizations addressing hunger without animal exploitation: http://episcoveg.weblogger.com/2005/01/28?...

PS As an aside, Heifer International is also a partner in junk science. They sponsored, together with the National Cattlemen's Beef Association, a study intended to compare the healthfulness of animal and plant based diets in children. Their animal consuming population was first world children. The veg population? Third world children subsisting on very small quantities of rice and beans from hunger relief organizations. Needless to say, when you compare well fed children with access to health care to half-starved kids with none, the first world kids win out. NCBA and it's membership used this deeply and intentionally flawed study to promote an animal-based diet as the only healthy answer to child nutrition while Heifer uses it to promote the need for animal products in third world children's diets, and thus the need to donate to Heifer. I'm certainly not about to donate to an organization that colludes with industry in the creation of mutually advantageous junk science.

PPS Better analysis of problems with Heifer (and a few more examples of a disrespect for truth on their part) here: http://www.all-creatures.org/articles/heif... and here: http://www.all-creatures.org/articles/heif...
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 12:53 AM
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9. Yet another reason for me to not support Heifer
I hate charities that link proselytization and giving, particularly those that demand conversion prior to giving their "gifts". :grr:
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 05:19 AM
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5. Okay, I went in and played dogmatic vegan party pooper since y'all are chick'n.
Edited on Sat Dec-09-06 05:25 AM by LeftyMom
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2880525&mesg_id=2886765

Feel free to add anything, even if it's just that you would also object to Heifer as the designated charity. They won't pick them if they're controversial. (Can anybody think of a decent animal charity that people wouldn't shit on if we suggested them?)
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 06:55 PM
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7. Amen, brother!


My tongue is swollen & raw from the biting it's taken in the few of those threads I've witnessed.
I can only imagine the number of threads you've witnessed. :yourock:

Perfect PR: A living sacrifice is always good.


:eyes:
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 06:12 PM
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11. Agreed. Someone I got on their mailing list.
Thier catalog made me sick.

How about donating bags of seed for crops that aren't patented so that they can harvest seed every season for the next year? There must be crops that are hardy enough to survive in many of these places.

Or how about donating better farm implements?

Or how about equipment for digging deeper wells?

There is so much else out there would help people more than a cow. x(
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 06:20 PM
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12. Or basic sterilization equipment for doctors and midwives?
So many worthy and lifesaving things that would be so inexpensive and would be of benefit for generations. And what do westerners give? Livestock.

I wonder about people sometimes.
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 11:58 PM
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13. No kidding.
I could never in good conscience give a live animal for food.

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