Geese's revenge: Foie gras may cause disease

[Debau2005]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19308857/

"Geese force-fed and then slaughtered for their livers may get their final revenge on people who favor the delicacy known as foie gras: It may transmit a little-known disease known as amyloidosis, researchers reported on Monday."

and the last paragraph...
"“In addition to foie gras, meat derived from sheep and seemingly healthy cattle may represent other dietary sources of this material.”"

I guess it would be wrong to point and laugh at these people, and utter an "I told you so!" :evilgrin:

[La Lioness Priyanka]

1. human beings getting sick is SO FUCKING FUNNY!

:eyes:

edited to add an S

[flvegan]

2. I don't think that was the point.

That people may get sick being "funny" that is.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

4. guess it would be wrong to point and laugh at these people, and utter an "I told you so!"

:shrug:

[flvegan]

5. I can read, pri. Thanks.

Like I said, I don't think that was the point.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

6. like, i said, dont think its very nice to mock sick humans whether or not they eat

foie gras.

on edit: to take joy in that potential sickness could occur, because they eat something you think is unethical, is cruel.

[flvegan]

8. I don't see anyone taking any joy in it.

There's also a thread in LBN about this same article with some interesting notes. Check it out.

Have a nice day, pri.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

10. well you and i clearly see joy in others pain differently.

[flvegan]

12. That's probably very true.

I don't see ANY joy in the pain of anyone at all.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

14. apparantly with the exception of people who get sick of animal products

[flvegan]

15. Point out where I expressed joy.

Thanks.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

16. you are defending someone who did. same difference.

[flvegan]

17. That's pretty funny.

That's like saying that because I defend SOME of Rodney Coronado's actions that I'm an arsonist. Same difference.

Brilliant.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

18. ...

:rofl:

thats possibly the most hyperbolic and stretched argument ever.

[flvegan]

19. Just following your mentality, pri.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

20. no, you are not. what you are doing is making an argument so ridiculous that its not even

worth my time.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

3. n/t

[Debau2005]

7. I apologize

if I offended anyone.

I don't apologize for feeling that the lives of the geese are just as important in the circle of life, and that people that eat animal flesh, might just be adding to their own bad karma!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

9. i think people who are ridiculously judgemental know nothing about the concept of karma.

your op could easily have been phrased in way to create awareness of a potential hazard. instead you chose to do it in a mocking and degrading fashion.

[flvegan]

11. Who specifically is "ridiculously judgemental" pri?

I'm curious.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

13. the OP in the phrasing of sickness to humans as somewhat joy causing and deserved.

thats who.

[Robeson]

21. The OP apologized, and offered an olive branch....

...what's the problem.

[Rabrrrrrr]

22. No, FG amyloid may cause amyloidosis in mice genetically altered to be susceptible to amyloidosis

What a crock.

The researchers used mice genetically engineered to be susceptible to amyloidosis, which can be inherited.

“When such mice were injected with or fed amyloid extracted from foie gras, the animals developed extensive systemic pathological deposits,”

[flvegan]

23. Crock?

http://www.news-medical.net/?id=26612

"University of Tennessee Graduate School of Medicine professor and researcher Alan Solomon, M.D., director of the Human Immunology and Cancer/Alzheimer's Disease and Amyloid-Related Disorders Research Program, led a team that discovered a link between foie gras prepared from goose or duck liver and the type of amyloid found in rheumatoid arthritis or tuberculosis.

Their experimental data, appearing in this week's edition of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, has provided the first evidence that a food product can hasten amyloid development."

If you're saying the findings are a crock based on the fact that testing was done with genetically altered mice, then you're making a fine statement about abolishing this type of animal testing.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

24. actually this is what it says: from your link

"Our study looked at the existence of amyloid fibrils in foie gras and showed that it could accelerate the development of AA amyloidosis in susceptible mice"

which is to say they do not cause amyloidosis or that they know what happens in normal mice who are not susceptible.

[flvegan]

25. Staggering

Their experimental data, appearing in this week's edition of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, has provided the first evidence that a food product can hasten amyloid development.

Pri, don't take this the wrong way, but I'm going with the actual scientists on this over your subjective and argumentative "logic"

[La Lioness Priyanka]

26. yes a food can hasten a sickness, but its not CAUSING the sickness

being able to read a study is really not that difficult.

not to mention its ONLY showing it in mice that are already susceptible.

[flvegan]

27. Didya read the study?

Knowing the difference between a study and an article is even less difficult.

I think I'm done with you on this. It has been an enlightening exchange.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

28. i am quoting the actually researcher. not the journalist who covered the researcher.

it is unscientific to take a study and misrepresent the scope of the research.

[Rabrrrrrr]

29. I absolutely think testing on animals is immoral and should be stopped.

But I am also saying the study is a crock is because they are injecting mice with amyloidosis, to which they have genetically altered the mice to be susceptible, and from that drawing the conclusion that the product (a liver) from which the amyloidosis is distilled is bad for humans. Which it might or might not be, we'll never know, because the experiment is a sham, in my opinion.

A far better test would be to check people, perhaps the French, and see how they're doing instead of creating mutant mice and seeing how they do when they're injected with a pure distillate of a substance.

That test would also eliminate the crime of testing on animals.

[flvegan]

30. Maybe a cursory study

on folks that would be more susceptible that upon survey, have eaten foie gras would be a better, less costly beginning to this sort of inquiry. The age-old argument of how unlike us mice are always sits at the tip of my tongue in discussion such as this.

I also agree that animal experimentation is in every instance a moral and ethical sham. I think that in a purely scientific process, it's a sham, and the majority of it is done simply because they "have to" before they can proceed to the next level of testing.