"Deer Killing Programs"

[SemiCharmedQuark]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=105&topic_id=2650713&mesg_id=2650713


While I think that hunting is less cruel than factory farming...I'll never understand it. Or understand the part about "most hunters are tree-huggers". I don't see how you can admire something for its beauty, and then destroy it so nobody will ever see the beauty you just admired if you don't have to.

[Stuckinthebush]

1. I've never understood the desire to kill something for sport

While I am a vegan, I do understand that most Americans are meat eaters. Therefore, I am not as outraged at hunters who kill deer for meat as I am at those who kill for fun and to hang a head on a wall. I find this second type of hunter pathological.

Many of the first type of hunters that I know are very concerned about environmental issues and enjoy nature (don't get me started on the incongruence of enjoying nature and then blowing it away). We vegetarians and vegans need to continue to educate the public on the dangers of eating meat and on issues related to cruelty to animals. Perhaps, slowly, we can make a difference by making the first type of hunter realize that the killing-for-food option is unnecessary. The second type of hunter deserves our scorn and anger.

[livinginphotographs]

2. I'll agree with Stuckinthebush.

While I disagree with it in principle, at least some hunters eat what they kill. That's a much more honest way to slaughter a living creature than buying it in a pretty package in a supermarket.

Those that trophy hunt (I don't give a shit if I offend someone with the following statement) have something psychologically wrong with them. Whoever would kill something strictly for sport is seriously fucked up, and are no better than those who shoot Ay-rabs because they hate brown people. HOw someone could get pleasure out of killing something is beyond me, but I guess since Bush used to stick firecrackers in frog's asses, it doesn't mean you'll be considered a sicko by the mainstream.

[Dob Bole]

3. Where I live...

You're taught to hunt and fish as a means of survival. Let's face it...around here you're not always going to be able to find a good paying job, and you have to get by somehow.

But hunting for sport is frowned upon, at least by my family. Then again, I am mixed-blood Cherokee. I am a "flexitarian" if you will, and only eat wild meat as opposed to factory farmed beef, etc. As of a week ago, I am trying to be a vegetarian...it's pretty difficult, but I just might make it...

[livinginphotographs]

4. The Native-Americans are perfect examples

of humans who try to live WITH nature as opposed to dominating it. Even in their hunts, it was not a superiority thing at all. They respected the animals they killed. That was a much more level predator-prey relationship than what goes on now (pack hundreds of them into crates to slaughter).

[SemiCharmedQuark]

5. Yes. It is sad that people will use Native Americans against vegans.

The hunting (sport, not subsistance) that goes on should never be compared to the subsistance hunting that the Native Americans lived by. Or even the subsistance living that some people today live by. It is a cheap comparison, IMHO.

[Catchawave]

6. Immunocontraception?

http://www.hsus.org/wildlife/issues_facing_wildlife/immunocontraception/index.html