Milk Prevents Heart Attacks

[SemiCharmedQuark]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3772795

Somehow I doubt this...but does anyone have any links to contradictory studies?

[yewberry]

1. Hardly an unbiased site

but the studies are for real.

http://www.milksucks.com/heartdisease.html

[flvegan]

2. It's been spun.

I posted some of the issues. Regulations, the animal that the milk comes from, etc. This ain't a study on any cow's milk that folks on this side of the big drink might consume.

[shockra]

3. I thought that the people who drank the least milk...

Also drank the most alcohol was what made the milk drinkers seem healthier by comparison.

[peacebuzzard]

8. I think that is what the studies infer

and of course, if you do consume milk, it would be the occasional glass and not to upturn a gallon from the fridge and gulp it in alongside a high fat diet. The key I believe is everything in moderation and some things more so than others.

[shockra]

4. Another thread.

Age-related in GD. Animal rights is "glamorous?"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3771546

I ran across a woman in a PETA thread on IMDB and someone was giving people shit for not caring about *human issues*, so she mentioned that she was the President of a chapter of Amnesty International before she got into animal rights.

As for me, I was interested in feminism, racism, ageism and classism long before I was seriously interested in animal rights as a political issue. I see it as a progression going deeper into the causes of oppression rather than away from them.

It took reading the PETA threads in GD and LBN this year on DU to light a fire under me on animal rights.

[RebelOne]

5. Here's a link which points out that milk contributes to heart disease

http://www.notmilk.com/h.html

[peacebuzzard]

6. I've been reading scores on the subject lately by

checking out every book in the library on hypertension. And, in synopsis, I did read one study about the group that drank dairy vs the non-dairy group and the dairy faired better than the other. Some speculation that perhaps the dairy group also embraced a more healthful lifestyle. But in my current checkout book the D.A.S.H. for Hypertension, it advocates dairy Incorporated into the D.A.S.H. (dietary approaches to stop hypertension) diet and of course, only suggests the low fat, skim or reduced fat forms of yogurt, milk, sour cream, cream cheese, low fat cheese ...ricotta or mozzarella, and of course low sodium cheese etc. However, the D.A.S.H. diet otherwise is very restrictive: only freshly cooked, if possible fruits and veggies with rice. It is very boring unless you have a kitchen and/or can cook w/ seasonings (throw away the salt) such as onion, garlic, special oils. But more important than anything is exercise. Aerobic exercise controls your health better than anything, and once you start incorporating the other variables...you are on your way to better health. It is interesting reading for someone truly concerned about avoiding heart disease.

[peacebuzzard]

7. By the way, I bought milk instead of soy milk yesterday

and I have also read studies that soy milk is bad for certain female menopausal related issues and other studies that soy is good for other female related controls. So it all depends, of course on the issue of the day or moment. But anyways, the milk I bought is organic and no synthetic additives and the cows live happily ever after, I presume.

on edit: that is: reduced fat milk.

[arissa]

9. Your assumption about organic milk is wrong

All organic means is that they don't use growth hormones, antibiotics, and the cows are fed organic grain. It doesn't indicate the cows were treated well, and it doesn't mean the baby calves (that are constantly being born to keep the cows lactating) weren't sent off to be turned into veal, and it doesn't mean the cows weren't slaughtered when their bodies couldn't handle the stress of being constantly impregnated any longer.

The basic truth about milk is this, and no amount of questionable studies or additional labels (organic, free range, reduced fat, etc) can change this basic truth: adult mammals are not supposed to drink milk, it is intended for infants of the same species as the mother. Humans are the only species on earth that seeks out and drinks the milk of another species as part of their diet.

There are conflicting studies about soy, but soy is not the only alternative (almond milk is delicious, rice milk), and the fact is that by not drinking milk it doesn't necessarily mean you have to replace it with another type of milk - you could just drink water instead, which will be healthier than any kind of milk/soda/tea/coffee/etc.

http://www.idausa.org/vh/victories2003.html

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Organic Dairy Investigation

IDA went undercover in a number of organic dairy farms to assess the quality of life of the cows at these facilities. Our investigator found animals living ankle-deep in feces, confined to dark and damp quarters that smelled of ammonia. Calves kept in "hutches," isolated from each other and from their mothers. She found few noticeable differences in the quality of life on organic dairy farms compared to conventional dairy farms. Her findings lend additional support to the rationale of replacing milk and cheese with soy milk and other plant-based alternatives.

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http://www.organicconsumers.org/organic/cornucopia011205.cfm

Group Files Complaint to USDA on "Factory-Style Dairy Farms" Certified as Organic

1/10/05
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Contact: Mark Kastel - 608-625-2042
Tony Azevedo

The Cornucopia Institute Alleges Factory Farms
Violating Federal Organic Law

CORNUCOPIA, WISCONSIN: The Cornucopia Institute, today, filed a formal
complaint with the USDA¹s National Organic Program asking them to initiate
an investigation into alleged violations of the federal organic law by a
factory farm operating in Colorado. At issue is whether it is legal to
confine cows in an industrial setting, without access to pasture, and still
label milk and dairy products organic. Similar factory farm operations in
Idaho and California are also under investigation by The Cornucopia
Institute and will likely be targeted with formal complaints to the USDA in
the near future

"We have been interested in these confined animal feeding operations, or
CAFOs, for some time," said Mark Kastel, Senior Farm Policy Analyst, at the
Wisconsin-based Cornucopia Institute, a progressive farm policy research
group. As demand for organic milk has skyrocketed, investors have built
large industrial farms mimicking what has become the standard paradigm in
the conventional dairy industry. "It is our contention that you cannot milk
3000­6000 cows and offer them true access to pasture as required by the
Organic Foods Production Act of 1990, the law that governs all domestic
organic farming and food processing," said Kastel.

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[peacebuzzard]

10. I know I am wrong. I f* hate mistreatment of animals in any form.

And I know even if it says organic, the cows live the same fate, (I was being sarcastic when I said the cows lived happily ever after) as the factory cows.

And I know I should not buy milk of any form, yogurt, cheese, puddings, all that. I am working on it. I hope to be there one day.

I hate the fact about the food I buy for my dogs, too. But they just wouldn't understand.
and Organic natural food is way too cumbersome and cost prohibitive for me to feed all the dogs I have. I am taking lots of baby steps here.