SuSE 10.0

[RoyGBiv]

Has anyone installed or just generally have any thoughts, warnings, suggestions regarding SuSE 10.0? It was released yesterday. I downloaded it last night, made a DVD image this morning, and am planning on installing it this weekend.

Just randmon curiosity is making me ask ...

[Nomad559]

1. I am downloading It now

SUSE Linux 10.0 has been released
http://www.novell.com/products/suselinux/downloads/ftp/eval.html#americas

The SUSE Linux 10.0 version has just been released and is not available from our mirrors, yet. Please allow these servers a few days time to get SUSE Linux 10.0. A more detailed mirror list will be available on Oct. 11.

When trying to download from ftp.suse.com, please keep in mind that the server will be under heavy load and therefore the download may take very long or may even be unsuccessful.



SuSE Linux 10 Releases, Downloads Hard To Get
http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=171204121

On schedule, Novell quietly released a major update to its flagship SuSE Linux distribution on Thursday. It is the first version built under the openSuSE model that the Waltham, Mass.-based developer introduced this summer.

I am getting good download speeds
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[RoyGBiv]

2. I got lucky ...

I found a mirror last night that had updated no more than an hour before I checked it. (I'd been checking it all day because I typically get good speeds from it.) I averaged about 450KB/s while getting the CDs.

I'm wanting to wait for a new hard drive I ordered a couple days ago that I'm going to have dedicated to GNU/Linux, but I keep being tempted to go ahead and install it just to play with it. I booted up with the DVD I made just to make sure it had burned well enough to boot, and noted the splash screen had changed to blue. I know that's a completely silly reason to be drawn into it, but it did.

Anyways, I was just wondering if anyone had any opinions yet. I'm curious about some features and the stability, and I've also read that the boot process is faster, which is one thing about SuSE that's annoyed me at times. I've been following the forums, but most of what I've seen is from newbies whining about it not working like Windoze or responses to them and doesn't really provide the kind of insight I'm wanting.

[SKKY]

3. I've had it running on my Laptop for about 2 weeks now...

...and so far, it's pretty much as advertised.

[RoyGBiv]

4. Had a good experience ...

I installed it (upgraded from 9.2 actually) a few days after the OP. I had a couple major hiccups right off the bat that were making me crazy, so when the new hard drive I ordered got here, I just started over with the new drive from scratch. Had no issues that time.

I got ATI 3D accelleration working, mp3 decoding, installed media player plugin for my browser so I could see online streaming video, got all the codecs so I could view pretty much anything, have upgraded to KDE 3.5 since.

Now if I can just figure out how to get XORG 7.0 installed and make my video capture work, I'll be happy ... until I find something else to tweak. :-)

[Deja Q]

5. No problems with OSS or retail version...

Even dual-booting on a laptop.

I just got the official version from Linux Pro magazine. The "full, real SuSE (not OSS)" as said on the magazine cover.

If the antivirus and antispyware packages are worth it, along with full app compatibility (Fedora sees features on some programs I've not seen under previous SuSE editions) I will go back to SuSE.

[dem_in_seattle]

6. I subscribe to that mag as well, but

one thing I wasn't too pleased with about the DVD, was that some of the packages were missing (like KOffice and even gcc) and weren't available in the Package Search in YaST2.

Luckily, someone had sent in a Letter to the Editor ("Write Access") mentioning the lack of the gcc compiler and, in their reply, Linux Pro gave some ftp addresses to add to "Installation Sources" in YaST2. And on these sites, nothing at all from the official distro was missing.

(I realize the install comes with Open Office 2.0, which is great, but I like to get everything (KOffice, etc.) and don't like anything, especially, something integrated with KDE, to be missing).

All in all, I really like SuSE... for me, at least, it's been one of the more stable installs, since I'm not really so good at the command line or lots of manual configuration, which I know, is required more with some of the other distro's out there, like Debian, among others.

I'd also like to find out, however, how to get the latest Xorg packages and update to those. 6.8 is installed, but I still get an error message about Composite Manager, saying I need to add a particular parameter to the X configuration file, etc. (I'm still trying to figure out where that is, since this doesn't appear to be something configurable in YaST2).

Jim
Seattle

[RoyGBiv]

7. Here's a weird thing ...

When SUSE 10.0 came out, I downloaded the Gold Media version of it. I think the file name was something like SUSE.10.0.GM.CDx.ISO. I combined these into a single DVD ISO, which I then burned to a DVD and used for installation. It had everything I needed in it except apps to decode mp3 files, the codecs that allow viewing of various media formats, and the MPLAYER plugin. I excepted those to be missing, but I also expected JAVA, Realplayer, and several other things to be missing as well that weren't. In short, from a basic install, I had everything except a few apps I installed by adding packman as a source and search for those apps.

I got this issue of the magazine this past weekend and used the DVD to install SUSE on a semi-broken machine I've been messing with. I had to do more searching for software from the supposedly "complete" DVD than I did from the one I made out of several CD ISO files.

Anyway ...

About X, when I figure it out, I'll let you know. I still have not gathered the courage to attempt an install from source. I've gathered all the necessary files and have printed instructions, but I've just not taking that first ./configure step, and I'm not real sure I will on my main machine. However, if you're willing to install a different distro, the latest Mandriva has incorporated Xorg 6.9 (not the modular version, but the same source) into it. I'm thinking of doing this on a different hard drive, but I haven't set aside the time to mess with it so far.

[RoyGBiv]

8. Various updates ...

I wanted to update a couple things that have been discussed in this and other threads, and rather than responded to any single post or start a new thread, I figured I'd just do it here.

RE: SUSE 10.0 DVD in Linux Magazine

I mentioned previously that after using this to install SUSE on another computer I had to download more additional software than I had with the downloaded ISOs. In and of itself this isn't a bad or unexpected thing. Various versions of different distros exist, but what was irritating was the claim made in the magazine that this was the full, "real" version of SUSE. After more use of this installation, I can confidently say it absolutely is not the "full, real" version. In fact, a few missing elements cause it to positively suck, imo.

I could go into a lot of detail on the struggle I had yesterday and today with this, but I'll summarize it with one example. The Linux Mag DVD doesn't have gcc ... at all. This is an absolutely essential part of any Linux distro unless you plan on never altering it in any way from what is included on the disc. That sorta defeats the purpose, I'd think. Now, you might be saying, okay, just install it. Well, it's not quite that simple. The "at all" notation was deliberate. Gcc has many dependancies, and almost none of them are included with this DVD, and getting them, all with the right version in the right place at the right time, turned out not to be as simple as I initially hoped it might. To summarize, it would have taken me less time to do a complete reinstall using my downloaded set of CDs. I did get it done, but it was annoying.

RE: X 6.9/7.0

The BETA 2 version of SuSE 10.1 has X 6.9 included. I installed it on a separate hard drive, but SuSE's implementation of it in this BETA is horrible. I guess that shouldn't surprise me at this point. It is a BETA, and in truth what was really irritating was not trying to use the new features of X but working my way around the numerous bugs in other parts of the system. (It uses an unstable version of the kernel, for example.) For some reason I had to spend a lot of time just getting my sound working, and this hadn't been a problem with previous SUSE versions. By then, and after having spent the bulk of the day dealing with the issue mentioned previously on a separate system, I was out of patience. I figure I'll wait until an official release before messing with it much more.

Also, I'm not sure if this was due entirely to my ignorance or if it is a genuine problem, but I could not get 3D accelleration working on my ATI graphics card, an issue that I believed was to have been fixed with the new X release. The standard method of installing ATI's proprietary drivers has always been required before, and after my experiences this weekend, I'm wondering if that will still be required. If so, those drivers have not been updated to deal with X6.9 and will not compile. Or, that could have been an issue with the unstable kernel itself.