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DaveJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 12:43 PM
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Jobs Attacks Flash As Unfit for iPhone
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704302304575214114101014460.html?mod=WSJ_hps_LEFTTopStories

LOL. Among other things like calling Flash applications substandard, Jobs said "Adobe's Flash products are 100% proprietary. They are only available from Adobe, and Adobe has sole authority as to their future enhancement, pricing, etc.,"

Hilarious, considering no one can develop and iPad or iPhone app without asking Apple's permission, paying them to sell your app, and having to put it on their store. No other phone does that.

Plus, you can in fact develop Flash apps for free using Flex which is an open source development environment.

Just more lies from Steve Jobs who denied paternity to his daughter while the mom was on welfare.
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 02:29 PM
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1. Pot calling kettle black about proprietary.
He's just upset because it's not HIS proprietary.
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DaveJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 02:38 PM
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2. Clearly Flash threatens Quicktime
Other companies would be at least semi-honest about it, and assume the public is smart enough to understand business rationale.

But Steve Jobs is unique with his lie based marketing method.
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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 02:47 PM
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3. Freedom is slavery
War is Peace
Ignorance is Strength
Apple is Open

Jobs makes Gates look like some kind of open-source hippy.
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EvolveOrConvolve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 07:12 PM
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4. Bingo
Quicktime is a serious POS, but Jobs wants monopoly control of a user's environment and experience, and loses that if he allows Flash on his devices. It's really, really creepy.

What's ironic is that Microsoft's Silverlight (a sort of competitor to Flash) is allowed on the iPhone since it's actually more transparent in what it does than Flash.
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 02:23 AM
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7. Slight disagreement ...
Edited on Sun May-02-10 02:28 AM by RoyGBiv
Your rationale is correct, I think, but the specifics are somewhat different.

This is about web standards and both Apple's and Microsoft's continuing refusal to adhere to open standards.

Specifically this is about HTML5 and the codec used with it to serve video and audio. Both Apple and Microsoft are going with H.264, which of course is "standard" but also will require paid licensing through a company called MPEG LA, an intellectual property firm that exists for no other reason than to extort acquire licensing fees for media content distribution. Both Adobe and Apple have signed on to their licensing agreement as has Microsoft.

More specifically, this is a shot across the bow of Firefox directly and the Theora codec indirectly, the latter of which MPEG LA, MS representatives, and Steve Jobs assert is "encumbered" with IP violations. More generally, it's an attack on open source and open standards as a whole and gives insight into Apple's plan for the future of the PC world as detailed in this article.

This started with an open letter to Steve Jobs regarding his reasoning for not including Flash support. This resulted in a response from Mr. Jobs (text of response included at previous link) that was, at best, intellectually dishonest in a manner Orwell would have appreciated and at worst a veiled threat against open standards. As with many things of this nature, Jobs's comments have a ring of truth, but they remain hypocritical. Jobs is correct in criticizing Flash as a closed standard, but his solution is merely to offer a different closed standard, one that presumably fits with his world view and that he and his business partners can better control.

Several responses to Mr. Jobs have resulted, examples here, and here.

Subsequently, Microsoft has announce that in version 9 of their Internet Explorer browser, they will support the H.264 codec within HTML5 and nothing else, meaning the browser wars are heating up yet again.

There is also this statement from Monty Montgomery speaking on behalf of the company behind Theora and OGG Vorbis:

"Thomson Multimedia made their first veiled patent threats against Vorbis almost ten years ago. MPEG-LA has been rumbling for the past few years. Maybe this time it will actually come to something, but it hasn't yet. I'll get worried when the lawyers advise me to; i.e., not yet.

The MPEG-LA has insinuated for some time that it is impossible to build any video codec without infringing on at least some of their patents. That is, they assert they have a monopoly on all digital video compression technology, period, and it is illegal to even attempt to compete with them. Of course, they've been careful not to say quite exactly that.

If Jobs's email is genuine, this is a powerful public gaffe ('All video codecs are covered by patents.') He'd be confirming MPEG's assertion in plain language anyone can understand. It would only strengthen the pushback against software patents and add to Apple's increasing PR mess. Macbooks and iPads may be pretty sweet, but creative individuals don't really like to give their business to jackbooted thugs."


The upshot of all this is that websites that offer streaming media, which are becoming the backbone of various profit models for Internet business and of course are the sole reason for the existence of sites like Youtube, are going to have to make some difficult choices. HTML5 was supposed to free us from the need for reliance on proprietary codecs, but the manner in which it is being implemented has broken that false promise.

This is no less than a battle over the future of computing and information exchange over the Internet. Certain companies want to maintain a high-profit monopoly, and you'll notice that in none of their commentary on these issues is the matter of customer satisfaction given any genuine consideration. This is about their profit motive and their quest for control. They will dictate what you can see, read, or hear. Screw the rest of us.

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DaveJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 07:45 AM
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8. Basically the same thing
I just said it in fewer words: Flash threatens Quicktime. The details espouse nontechnical realm made up of people vying for power. Your details reveal something of great social importance -- what would we computer nerds ever do without egomaniacal jocks taking credit for our work? Funny how Mac commercials ridicule nerds when it's nerds who created their OS and all their apps. Even if it's not nerds but jocks who use their products. I seriously wonder what the world would be like without all these sociopaths. I understand they are a lot more fun to be around because they never focus on anything serious, but at the same time it would be amazing if we revered folks who contributed to the world. I guess we'll never know.
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 09:45 AM
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9. I know it's a fine point ...

... I'm not trying to be argumentative, but I maintain it's not about Quicktime specifically. When people think hear "Quicktime," they tune out. Who cares about Quicktime except Apple devotees?

Tell them the web browser they choose or hardware they buy may in the very near future dictate whether they can access any streaming content, and they may take more notice.

Other than that specific detail, I of course don't disagree with anything you're saying.
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lazarus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 10:13 PM
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5. No Flash
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-10 01:04 AM
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6. !!!
:spray: :rofl:

Was *not* expecting that. :)

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