So, who here is sick of the Dean bashing

[Lorien]

on DU? I supported Kerry and gave him a 100% effort, even though I really didn't like him as a candidate OR as a person (I even met him twice and spoke with him, still I wasn't swayed). I acted like an enthusiastic cheerleader for Kerry, and worked so hard for him that I nearly lost my clients (ALL my jobs are badly behind schedule, and my bills are unpaid). But STILL the DLCers can't help themselves; every time Dean is mentioned, they attack, yet voice your disappointment with Kerry's early concession and you're a Kerry "hater".

It is unreasonable for me to expect a shred of respect for my candidate when I worked so hard for theirs? Why do they continually try to discredit Dean? Why is he such a threat to so many Democrats? The same people who call for party unity and scream "JUDAS"! if any of us ask why Kerry didn't fight in the end don't see any problem with the sport of Dean bashing.

:shrug:

[redsoxliberal]

1. you have summed up my feelings

I'm so damn annoyed with these people. I gave my summer to John Kerry, yet he wouldn't fight one moment past November 2.


And now we have to praise him to heaven, and any mention of Dean gets rebutted with, "umm... but... HE HAD A TEMPER PROBLEM!"


RAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR :mad:

[a new day]

2. Not only that, how about that convention!!

All of that "be nice to Bush", "don't look angry" did us a lot of good, didn't it? Brilliant strategy, take punches till you look like the George above, and look like a wimp at the end.

Gore had to take his best lines out of his speech, the asked Carter, too, but he declined their offer to censor him.

Is anybody else getting tired of being taken for granted?

[redsoxliberal]

3. yeah, if this continues, we need third party

the grassroots party or something like that...

[PassingFair]

4. I'm thinking simply

The Progressive Party...

[Lorien]

10. I like that. They have a party by that name

in Vermont!

[Cheswick2.0]

5. It's only a handful of people

a few Kerry people and a few clarkies. The Kerry people in particular are pissed off that we were proven right. Kerry was not the great closer they claimed. They defended and defended him and his strategy and then he lost. They are frantically trying to prove he was still the best candidate. Well in that case we might as well disolve the party because we have no hope.

[Lorien]

6. There is one in particular (not to be named)

Who has made it her mission to destroy Dean and defend Kerry. She was horribly smug after the primaries and during the campaign, often saying "Thank you. I'm glad the rest of America saw the truth and agrees with me". Now that it's over, she's gone back to attacking Dean. The DLC strategy failed in 2000 (only because they didn't manage to get a fair count in Florida), in 2002, and spectacularly in 2004 (with help from Diebold and friends-but that should have been addressed BEFORE the election). What will it take to convince some that the same method isn't going to work in 2006, either?!

[janx]

7. What I can't figure out is why people are attacking Dean

NOW.

DFA is a great thing! There's much to be done before 2006!

[redsoxliberal]

8. people are fundementally afraid of change

Dean is so right, and no sane liberal can disagree with that. I'm wondering if the change is the issue...?

[Lorien]

9. Could be. But if we DON'T change

it'll be more of the same, or worse. Any change now couldn't make things worse than the current course!

[redsoxliberal]

11. I agree completely!

[Cheswick2.0]

12. I think I know who you mean

I don't know what she gets out of it...besides the smack back at Kerry she then has to read.

[Lorien]

18. Well, she apparently has hundreds of anti-Dean articles

ready to post at a moments notice. An operative, perhaps?

:tinfoilhat:

[SEpatriot]

13. It's tough for some people to face facts.

I can't say with moral certainty that Dean would have won, but the provincial nature of the Kerry people (Cahill and Shrum) along with some utterly indefensible voting explanations put the death knell in Kerry's campaign. Dean would have fought like hell, and this just gripes all of the people who want to hold on to the "noble" positions that have led to defeat after defeat for the past 10 years.

Weather the storm and know that there are a lot more of us out here - and our numbers will grow.

[Lugnut]

14. There's just no way to know for sure.

And, let's face it, regardless of who the Democratic nominee was the other side would've done just as much mud-slinging but from different angles.

I truly believed that John Kerry would have a very difficult time re: the IWR vote that couldn't have been hung on Dr. Dean. I still believe that Rove & Co. were scared to death of Dr. Dean.

Nobody except for Bill Clinton fired me up like Dr. Dean did. Nobody told the truth like Dr. Dean did and still is. I may have supported John Kerry in the election but I will always be a Deaniac.

[Cheswick2.0]

15. You get no respect because

you had the gaul to believe Dean was a better man and a better candidate. The fact that you may still believe that is driving them crazy! It is not enough that you worked for Kerry until you dropped from exhaustion. You were supposed to love him too and admit the error of your ways in the primaries.
If you had any criticism of his strategy during the race, you were a traitor and the whole country would read DU and you would be responsible for people thinking he made a mistake.

[Lorien]

17. So maybe we all should have signed

loyalty oaths to Kerry?

:think:

Yeah, I'm always amazed that so many people seem to think that DU has a readership similar to the viewership of "Desperate Housewives", lol!

[JNelson6563]

16. Ok, that's it!

After reading this thread I am compelled to lay it out for all to see.

I was sickened by the tactics of the Dems to make sure Dean wasn't the nominee. Some sold out like two-bit whores to make it happen. Gephardt threw his votes to Kerry in Iowa and Kucinich to Edwards. I have met with Iowans in person who have verified this for me. I'd like to give a special nod to the Kucinich purists for supporting a whore in nun's clothing here.

Ok, so after we take it in the ass, no kisses, no lubricant, I take a buck-up-Johnny approach. I'm up to my neck in local politics and, for the sake of my local party, bit my tongue till it bled. I personally orchestrated massive swag purchasing and distribution. I worked easily 40 hours a week for the cause. My local party chair proved about worthless throughout the campaign season, more a nuisance than a help when she was around at all. I put up with crap from her and others for my efforts.

My family and home went neglected for months. I managed to raise three times last year's revenues. One other person in my party put in as much effort and time, everyone else thought to show up and vote was all they needed to do. We recruited over 800 volunteers and endured a dumb-ass from unCoordinated Campaign in our office for months.

Elizabeth Edwards came to town and I will admit she's is a delightful lady. However, they insisted on a forum regarding healthcare. Yeah, real exciting stuff. They wanted a low-key event, maybe 40 people or so. We could've drawn thousands. As soon as word of mouth went into effect my partner in this effort and I were beseiged with calls. How do you pick forty out of many hundreds begging to come? I won't belabor what all this took to put together, suffice to say that this little event consumed about 14 hours a day for four days. Needless to say many I have never met have nothing nice to say to or about me because they weren't invited. Lastly on this matter, we put together a perfect event that the advance team was so impressed with they tried to copy it around the country. That's all I got out of it, imitation as a compliment. Gee thanks.

Yeah, I worked my guts out for a candidate I had no enthusiasm for. I could only take small satisfaction in the fact that many hundreds of people came through our HQ looking for lawn signs etc. A huge percentage of them said the same thing: "I am an independent, I usually for Republican but I hate Bush." Not once did I hear "I just love John Kerry." Not one time.

So, I do all this and pay a very heavy price here at home only to watch our great would-be leader slink off into the sunset without even pretending to put up a fight.

And now, here at DU, if I dare to say anything about what a lame ass ticket we had, well you all know the outrage we see when that happens.

To add insult to injury we have a bunch of Rethug operatives posing as Dems, proclaiming we need to capitulate more in order to win. If that isn't a special kind of stupid I don't know what the hell is.

Sickened to the core--

Julie

[Cheswick2.0]

20. I know Julie, I feel the same way

at least I got paid by ACT.
The whole thing is nuts. Now old posters are making up new user names to continue to bash Dean, for what reason I can not tell. It is very bizarre.

[JNelson6563]

22. Thanks Ches

I'm glad you got paid too. I don't understand the new sockies for Dean bashing. Hard to believe those folks are actually on our side when they persist in fighting old, nearly ancient battles that are counter-productive.

:shrug:

Julie

[WI_DEM]

19. I'm sick of Dean, Clark, Kerry, Edwards, ect bashing

[JNelson6563]

21. All bashing is not equal

Much of what you might consider to be "bashing" of Kerry is fresh venting. As you may or may not have read in my above post, I bit my tongue through the election season. Now that it's all over I am sharing my frustrations with my allies.

Old shit and new shit aren't the same kinds of shit. Venting in this forum over say GD is less likely to be problematic. Surely those who worship Kerry but hate Dean and couldn't possibly relate to any of what I said above wouldn't be bothering with the Dean forum. So I'd like to think anyway.

Julie

[WI_DEM]

23. I know how hard you worked from your reports from Michigan

and sorry i didn't read your post, I'm just sick of bashing period. Not that mistakes weren't made by Kerry. What I said didn't apply to you. I think the Dems made a mistake not going with someone like Dean in the campaign--because at least he could defend his stand on the war, but I do think Kerry (beginning in Late Sept--perhaps too little too late?) did begin to campaign the way I was hoping he would and took the gloves off and made Iraq and issue, which he had avoided prior to that.

I will grant this, if Dean had been the nominee and lost, you know the usual suspects would be out in force saying, "I told you so."

[JNelson6563]

24. Wish there was more to show for it

Supporters of all candidates hauled ass for Kerry. I am glad MI went blue and pity those who worked so hard only to see their state go red.

On my post of explanation to you I should have used more "we" instead of "I". We're all kinda venting and figuring out what we want to do next. It's more acceptable in here than the open forums though and will cause less conflict, I hope. It will pass, fortunately.

And yes, for sure there would be some serious gloating if Dean had been the candidate and lost.

Peace-
Julie