Further work on Rove's chart (new thread)

[Nancy Waterman]

I couldn't find much in there without a birth time except for the ever increasing converse progressed Saturn conjunct the converse progressed South Node, indicating some difficulties, and barriers to his activites and contacts, increasing through 2010. It was not enough for what is happnening now.

Then I did the tertiaries...

(Note all of these aspects intensify until the date thay are exact, then dissipate. Note also I am using a time of 3:10 AM, a total guess. I don't suggest using it, but Scorpio rising made sense to me. The dates could be off by a few days due to the hypothesized the birth time.)

Tertiary progressed Saturn square natal Mercury, January through July 25 2005.

Tertiary progressed Sun conjunct tertiary progressed Saturn, July 23 - August 23.

Tertiary progressed Saturn square ter prog Uranus, April 05 to january 06.

Tertiary progressed Saturn conjunct natal Neptune, 12/05 to 7/06.

Transiting Saturn opposite natal Mars 9/11/05 to 6/9/06 (intermittent strength).

These collective Saturn tertiary progressions show how under the gun he really is. He is really being pinned down and held back (SAturn). He can't speak out at all on this stuff (Saturn Mercury), his goals are being thwarted (Saturn Sun), and soon his deceptions will be revealed (Saturn Neptune).

[Pathwalker]

1. Thank you, Nancy. So, do you think he'll be indicted?

And, will he go to jail?

Thanks again!

[Nancy Waterman]

2. It is hard to say without a birth time

The Ascendant would give an indication if his location would change or he would feel imprisoned. He may have some protection from progressed Venus conjunct his North Node coming from September through June 06. But he continues to have some difficulties through 2007 at least. Unfortunately he seems to make a comeback of sorts in 2008, which is not good news. One can only hope it is limited or in private industry.

Progressed Sun conjunct Jupiter and transiting Uranus on his North Node (maybe a career change?).

[Me.]

3. Could This Comeback

signal the day he gets out of jail?

[Pathwalker]

5. Or his pardon?

n/t

[loudsue]

51. A pardon would likely come in 2008....after the election, that is.

Interesting timing, that.

:kick:

[Matariki]

4. be curious to know if you see anything 'terminal' is his chart

i did a couple readings and my prediction is that someone else in the admin will go to jail (cheney? a white male, perhaps with a leo or aries sun.). B* won't be impeached over this although he'll be very ineffective for the rest of his term, and that's not ruling out impeachment on other grounds, and well, i'd go out on a limb and say rove won't survive. nor will his demise be what it appears - if it appears natural.

time will tell.

[emcguffie]

6. Question on election

Has anyone done anything with the election, in terms of its being rigged, and whether or not it is possible or likely to bring the truth out?

Exposing the theft of the election would do a lot of good....

[Nancy Waterman]

10. I'm not sure how to approach the election

Bushco's dishonesty has been a focus ever since progressed Ascendant came into square of Inaugural Neptune in May. First the DSM, now Rove/Plamegate and the transparent attacks. Bush's crediblity ratings keep going down (Neptune Ascendant).

I am happy to see how dependable the tertiary progressions are. I hadn't been paying as much attention to them lately.

7/1 to 7/17/05 transiting Chiron conjunct the Inauguarl Sun
The Rove scandal is a direct wound on the adminsitration.

4/2007 to 8/2008, tertiary progressed Chiron conjunct the Inaugural Sun
7/2007 to 7/2008 Solar arc Chiron conjunct Inaugural Sun

This suggests severe wounding of Bush, who is the adminstration's Sun, in terms of his reputaiton and effectiveness and crediblity. A longer version of what we have seen in the past few weeks. There have been so many lies uncovered. It wouldn not surprise me if the election itself finally got a hearing. It would be believable after all the rest of the dishonesty.

[FreedomAngel82]

17. I hope you're right

I remember that night. Nothing felt right to me. And shortly before the election I had this feeling something really really huge will bring Bush down. Something that would have to be so big. It appears to be this. It's like the dominoes effect or the stack of cards. One falls they all fall. Rove is tied to everything it appears. Especially the election. If you haven't seen the frontline documentary on him I suggest it. Here's the link again: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/architect/view/

It shows how everything is through him which inturn leads back to Bush.

[FreedomAngel82]

16. I was wondering about that too and was going to ask

You beat me to it. ;) I was watching the PBS frontline video of the election and a documentary on Karl Rove. Here's the link to the doc:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/architect/view/

The first part of the doc is very very interesting. I was wondering if there was a way to do a reading on that and see if the truth will ever come out. I've always had this feeling if one of them goes down they all will and Karl Rove is known as "the architect" with Bush and his administration. Everything is around him and what he does. The truth might not come out right away but hopefully it will eventually.

[FreedomAngel82]

60. I have a sense

that the coin scandal is apart of the stealing of the election. I've been following that story and it senses the same. I've also followed everything that has happened dealing with the election since then. Kerry's concession was mighty strange and had a strange feel as well to it. :shrug: But I think there's more going on behind the scenes then we're told. Matt Taibbai is supposed to have an article sometime early next week (Monday I believe) and it seems interesting and pretty big. For some reason when I sit and meditate I never get anything with Bush past 2006 and I'm pretty good at sensing with people. I don't know if it's me blocking it or what. :shrug: But I have had flashes last November of Kerry winning and these were things I was seeing with my eyes and not just my mind or third eye but really seeing them.

[Nancy Waterman]

8. I see this as more of the Chiron Midheaven conjunction

B* won't be impeached over this although he'll be very ineffective for the rest of his term

This is exactly what I have been saying. This Rove business, like the DSM, is another wound for the administration, crippling it, destroying its reputation, its crediblity, and its power to act, but not likely to lead to impeachment as much as we might wish it.

Rove may be much diminished in the short run but could well resurface for the 2008 election.

[lancdem]

9. I'm figuring on at least one indictment

which will damage this WH severely. Bush may not be impeached; he may end up like Nixon.

[FreedomAngel82]

18. I think so too

Maybe other truths will be revealed as well. For some reason whenever I sit and meditate about Bush to see how things will go with him I get NADA after mid 2006. I don't know why and I don't know if it's just me but it's a strong feeling of nothingness with him being president after 2006. Kerry and Edwards will also be popping up not long after things start going bad for him, so maybe we will have them be the new administration and the truth about the election from 2004 is revealed.

[linazelle]

13. You know what's heartening about this?

They've done everything to prop ** up and make people believe he's a great leader, resolute, trustworthy and religious.

If nothing else, the things that they did to Clinton will come home to roost in the Bush administration. Remember how they harped about Clinton only being concerned about his legacy? Then they did everything to try to ruin that.

In contrast, they've done EVERYTHING to create an image and legacy that depicts ** as religious, resolute and upright. They've scrubbed records, held secret meetings, hired biased historians and archivists and buried incriminating records from public view.

Well, despite all that, the continual drip of reality (HA! remember when they said they create their own reality?--I don't think this is the reality they were hoping for...) will ensure that the ** legacy is accurate.

They never admit it but the one thing they want is to be as great as JFK. They tried to put Reagan on a pedestal, now they want to put Bush there. It ain't gonna happen. If the aspects hold true, he and his misadministration will be lucky just to stay out of jail.

[emcguffie]

36. Can there be a chart for the election itself?

The reason I keep hanging on to exposing the falseness of the election is that, in the long run, I hope that will help us to get rid of whatever unappectable judges Bush puts in, as well as the Patriot act and the tax cuts.

When it is established that he was not elected, it seems like there would be a reason to undo much of what he had done, on the basis that he did not do it legitimately in the first place.

That is very different from impeachment. If he is impeached, so what, we're still stuck with his judges, for the rest of their lives. I'd rather see him proven to be illegitimate than be impeached.

[NEOBuckeye]

47. Rove must be stopped with all we've got. We've got Peak Oil to deal with.

I'm really worried about the imminent energy crisis, Nancy. I have a feeling that our energy infrastructure, more than any threat of terrorism, is going to play a decisive and critical role in the 2008 elections.

Do you see any sort of "flash points" for energy and economic difficulties coming up? This is where charlatans like Rove and Cheney really make me angry. We have real issues that are demanding our attention NOW and an entire infrastructure and crop system that must be overhauled in order for us to survive. This is no time for delusions of a NeoConservative empire, which is unsustainable anyhow because it all depends upon oil!

[Nancy Waterman]

52. NEO - I am in total agreement with you

The energy issues are really pressing and must be addressed, and the Bushies are living in this alternative reality full of self-deceptions.

I think the Mercury Pluto opposition in the US chart is key to energy issues. Mercury is in the house of "other people's resources" and Pluto in the second has to do with our insatiable greed and gobbling up of resources. The two are in opposition, constantly linked but with an inherent struggle between them. Pluto is now quincunx US Mercury (24Cancer12) calling for a big adjustment in our relationship to other people's resources: China's money, foreign oil, foreign labor, etc. This is a 20 month process begun around January 2005 and going through September 2006.

There are a lot of Pluto transits coming up to the US chart from 2009 on, beginning with Pluto square the MC, and then moving to oppose the US Venus, Jupiter, Sun, and Mercury through 2021. I think we are looking at a long process of transformation of which, I am sure, moving to a post petroleum economy will be a part.

Where Pluto is in the chart, one needs to go through a deep and powerful transformation, often through a trial by fire, so to speak. This nation needs to learn to appreciate and value (2nd house issues) resources appropriately, not gobble them up unthinkingly. The greed and wastefulness are compulsive (Pluto) but must be transformed.

[MissWaverly]

57. I am psychic myself

I am very interested in what is said here, I am picking up really strange vibes every time I see Rove's photo in the last few days, it
is almost a feeling of overwhelming fate, destiny, karma, it reminds
me of those figures in a greek tragedy that you know are headed towards
their fate. I have a sense of unraveling now about the whole WH thing,
I think we are in a period of great uncertainty, I wonder if anyone else is sensing this. I don't know if GWB will remain in power but I think that there will be power shifts.

[okasha]

12. The Mars-Saturn opposition looks promising.

[Matariki]

22. not Cheney - but Libby is the one who will go to jail

just looked up his birthday: August 22. Very end of Leo.

[Nancy Waterman]

53. kineta - What is Libby's birth date and location of birth?

Thanks!!

[Trillo]

7. What period expressed in days are you using for your tertiary progression?

There are several different ways of going about a tertiary (lunar-period based) progression: tropical month (27.321582 days), sidereal month (27.321662 days), moon phase month (29.530589 days) and synodic (29.530588 days). Apparently there are also other lunar periods as well.

I'm asking because I'd like to duplicate your work, just to "see" it visually on the software I use. I understand that some software may not disclose their precise formulas, and instead just say, "lunar period" or some such approximate phrase.

[Nancy Waterman]

14. I don't use any of those

I use what Ron Davison described in his book Technique of Prediction which I read many years ago when I was learning about progressions. For the tertiaries, I simply calculate one day equals one month, rather than the one day equals one year of the secondary progressions. I do them by hand.

Here is how I do it using Rove as an example. (By the way, someone just emailed me that they think Rove may have Gemini rising. He does seem to have that quality in his persona. If so, my calculations would be off by perhaps a few weeks.)

Rove birthdate is 12/25/50

12/25/50 -> 12/25/05

55 years x 12 months per year = 660 months

planetary positions for 12/25/50 + 660 days = ter prog positions for 12/25/05

(then I reduce it by subtracting the number of days in a year)

660 - 365 = 295

12/25/51 + 295 days = ter prog for 12/25/05

Now I want to reduce it further, but we are under the number of days per year, so I do it in the other direction.

365 - 295 = 71 days

12/25/52 MINUS 71 days = ter prog for 12/25/05

I count it out in my ephemeris

10/15/52 = ter prog planets for 12/25/05

10/10/52 = ter prog planets for 7/25/05

draw up the chart for 10/10/52 (using correct birth time and birth location if you have them) and you will get the tertiary progressed planets, calculated as one day equals one month, for 7/25/05.

I look at only hard aspects and exact conjunctions to natal planets and between the tertiary planets.

Rove has a natal Mercury Neptune square. Ter prog Saturn has been square natal Mercury and will soon be on natal Neptune. Saturn is in a one degree orb, waxing for about 8 months. Using tertiaries, it takes about two years of movement to get to about age 60 in a person's life. He will never have aspects comparable to these again.

[Trillo]

21. Excellent answer Nancy!

That's a pretty simple method. I actually was able to follow your math, nicely explained! I did have to think a little on your second reduction, when finally it occurred to me you were counting fewer days backwards. :hi:

Here's what I've found using software and based upon your guess of a 3:10 am birth time.

27.212221 Draconic month--August 29, 2000 (date natal Neptune conjuncts tertiary progressed Saturn based upon the Draconic Month, i.e., One day equals 27.212221 days)
27.321582 Tropical month--Nov 8, 2000 (right after the first GWB election)
27.321662 Sidereal month--Nov 9, 2000
27.554550 Anomalistic month--Fri, April 13, 2001
29.530589 Moon phase or Synodic month--Nov 20, 2004

Now taking your tertiary rate, I'll assume that 1 year equals 365.25 days and divide that by 12 to find 30.4375. Here's the date I found using that tertiary time increment:

30.4375 Average Calendar Month--July 18, 2006.

Of course, degrees of orb where it's considered a valid tertiary to natal conjunction would move that date to an earlier one.

On 12/1/05 tertiary Saturn conjuncts natal Neptune with 56 minutes of arc applying.
On 7/1/06 the same conjunction is 5 minutes applying.

Does the moon act as a trigger with progressions? I note that using the Average Calendar Month method, on March 15, 2006 progressed Moon conjuncts progressed Saturn and natal Neptune, squaring natal moon and squaring natal Mercury. By Oct 2006, progressed moon moves to conjunct natal Mercury.

Perhaps he'll be having pangs of regretful emotions as he testifies.

[Nancy Waterman]

24. Simple Trend 12/05 to 7/06

I got the same for the ter prog Saturn conjunct Neptune. I even recalculated it for the Gemini rising chart and it doesn't change it much. I would be careful of using the progressed Moon for this because we really don't have his birth time at all. Either the progressed Moon or the tertiray progressed moon could act as a trigger, but the ter prog Moon moves pretty quickly, two to two and half days in a degree.

By the way, if we were to use the Gemini rising chart, the Moon is exactly square to Neptune natally, which would mean ter prog Saturn would be square to the Moon for about 8 months during and/or after the ter prog Saturn conjunction to Neptune.

The one transiting trigger I see will be Neptune at 19 Aquarius, quincunx natal Moon and trine natal Neptune, but enough to set off the ter prog Saturn aspect to both. This would be in April through June 2006, during which Saturn makes its third crossing opposite Rove's Mars and conjunct Bush Ascendant.


By the way, speaking of the ter prog Moon as a trigger, the ter prog Moon for the US chart was exactly conjunct natal Pluto on 9/11 and 9/12/01, triggering the transit of Pluto conjunct the natal US (Sag rising) Ascendant.

US Asc (transiting Pluto) is semisquare US Pluto (ter prog Moon)

[Trillo]

33. Here's a little more tertiary Moon info.

I'm just playing with the astro software and thought it would be interesting to make some notes here, maybe someone will find them useful.

Using the Average Calendar Month tertiary progression, and since we don't have Rove's birthtime, but we do have a date, we can assume the birthtime lies somewhere between 12:00am and 11:59:59 pm. This allows us to find ranges of tertiary progressed dates that may apply if we look at the beginning of the range and the end of the range in natal birthtime.

Rove's chart at 12:00:00am birthtime.

tertiary Moon (19Can19) square natal Neptune (19Lib19)--August 15th 2005
tertiary Sun (17Lib35) conjunct tertiary Saturn(17Lib54)--August 15th 2005
tertiary Sun conjunct tertiary Saturn square natal Mercury (17Cap54)--August 15th 2005
(note: the above tertiary Sun/Saturn conjunction is bearing down on natal Neptune, shining disciplined light upon any deceptions)
tertiary Moon (18Lib32) conjuncts tertiary Saturn (18Lib49) conjuncts natal Neptune (19Lib19)--March 29, 2006
tertiary Saturn (19Lib18'44") conjunct natal Neptune(19Lib19)--July 31, 2006
tertiary Moon (19Cap19) square natal Neptune (19Lib19)--October 26, 2006
Under a midnight birthtime, tertiary Moon first squares Natal Neptune on August 15, 2005, moves to conjunction on March 29, 2006, and squares Natal Neptune on October 26, 2006.

Rove's chart at 11:59:59pm birthtime.
Rather than reexamining all the aspects above again, I'm just going to write the tertiary Moon square, conjunction, square with natal Neptune for seeing the range of possible dates.

tertiary Moon (19Can19) square natal Neptune (19Lib19)--July 16, 2005
(moved from August 15, 2005 versus first possible AM birthtime)
tertiary Moon (18Lib32) conjuncts tertiary Saturn (18Lib49) conjuncts natal Neptune (19Lib19)--February 27, 2006
(moved from March 29, 2006 versus first possible AM birthtime)
tertiary Moon (19Cap19) square natal Neptune (19Lib19)--September 23, 2006
(moved from October 26, 2006 versus first possible AM birthtime)

This means that when using the tertiary progressed moon on Rove's chart, there's up to one month of timing range.

***

I'm curious about the July 16, 2005 date (today): I saw some aspects in the heliocentric chart versus transits that happens today, perhaps culminating on the 18th or 20th.

Specifically, using a noon birthtime (halfway point of possible timerange) and viewed heliocentrically, transiting Uranus(8Pis18) is about on the midpoint of natal Mars(2Pis05) and Jupiter(13Pis26). On July 10, transiting Mars(2Pis05) conjuncted natal Mars; on July 20 transiting Mars(8Pis26) meets transiting Uranus(8Pis19--still on midpoint); on July 28, transiting Mars (13Pis31) meets natal Jupiter(13Pis26).

Except for the Mars/Uranus conjunction, these are not necessarily malefic in and of themselves. However, along with these occur a series of inconjuncts or quincunxes involving Mercury, Pluto, Chiron in various natal and transiting combinations that do not bode well, as well as a Saturn bi-quintile Chiron. Transiting Neptune is opposing natal Pluto this whole time (since both planets are so slow moving). Perhaps this opposition has about 1.5 years on the applying side.

I see these heliocentric patterns as the beginning of an end to Rove's deceptions at the minimum with the disclaimer that this is a geocentric interpretation for heliocentric positions. How long they take to completely unravel in the public's consciousness and any charges they may involve remains to be seen. We already know he's mincing his words with lawyerly precision, but I doubt this fools the average citizen. The Neptune/Pluto opposition says he can either take the high road, come clean and own up to responsibilities of truth to We the People: or he's mired in denial, mincing of words, and the continuation of further deceptions, which just digs the ultimate grave of his poor responsibility deeper.

[Nancy Waterman]

23. I have a correction to make on the above

Because 1952 is a leap year, I would be subtracting 295 from 366. The answer is still 71. I had done it correctly but then copied it wrong on here.

So that line should read

366 - 295 = 71

[NMDemDist2]

11. sweet! I have no idea what you said, but the last paragraph looked

good to me :evilgrin:

[ebayfool]

20. Glad I'm not the only one! LOL!

Looking over your shoulder, here!

I read it all avidly - then look to the bottom for the cliffnotes.
We do have some talented people here!

(a long-winded kick)

[demgrrrll]

15. Has anyone done a chart on Fitzgerald? His birth year is 1961

I cannot find the place of birth or date. It would be interesting to see what is coming up for him. On edit one biography lists Fitzgerald as a native of Brooklyn, Ny.

[FreedomAngel82]

19. I haven't seen anything

except the birth year and location. :shrug: He lived in New York before for schooling and then was in Chicago where he's at now.

[Nancy Waterman]

25. If you find a birth date for Fitzgerald

Please let us know. I would imagine a strong Pluto and a strong Saturn.

[sojourner]

49. Fitzgerald's B-Day = 12-22-60

bob at AstroWorld found it -- (I did too, but bob beat me to getting it out there so he gets credit) he did have help and he credited the person, who's name I can't recall.

[Nancy Waterman]

54. Thanks, sojourner!!

eom

[WolverineDG]

26. what state is he licensed in

there might be a state bar site with that information

dg

[Nancy Waterman]

27. He is from Chicago

He may be the Chief Federal Prosecutor there but I am not sure.

[WolverineDG]

28. Attys are licensed by State & Federal bars

He might be licensed by Illinois, or even New York, since I think he spent time in NYC (I could be wrong on that). Attys are also admitted to practice before each Federal District they practice in, so he might be listed there as well. He could also be admitted to practice in the DC Circuit (you can do this if you get a particular score on the Multi-state portion of your state's bar exam, or at least you could when I took the Texas one).

I'd check the Illinois & New York State Bars, as well as the Federal District Courts that he's practiced before.

dg

[Nancy Waterman]

29. I'm not sure how helpful PF's chart would ultimately be

He could be relieved when this all ends, he could be elated, he could be depressed. He strikes me as very focused on his work. Or he could just be on to the next thing. I'm not sure we could get an easy read on his chart even if we had it.

Here is a terrific article that brings great hope:

http://www.markarkleiman.com/archives/valerie_plame_/2005/07/the_plame_game_no_its_not_all_about_the_intelligence_identities_protection_act.php

[Cha]

31. That is a very

explanatory article..easy for me to understand, that Yes, karl rove broke the law and Is in trouble. And so very Hopeful!

Thank you, Nancy.

[WolverineDG]

30. i just sent an email

to a friend of mine who works in legal circles in illinois. if she can get the info, i'll pass it on.

dg

[Nancy Waterman]

32. Thanks, Wolverine.

Today's Frank Rich article is also quite hopeful.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/17/opinion/17rich.html?pagewanted=1&hp


Chiron/MC/Sun opposite Saturn. Layers and layers of this aspect getting triggered as the scandal over the corruption at the heart of this administration unfolds.

[Me.]

34. The Reason Info Is So Scarce On Him

may be that ever since he tried the bombers of WTC in the 90's, he has received many death threats. Combine that with his natural reticence and it is hard to find anything on him.

[FreedomAngel82]

35. That's very wise

I wouldn't be surprised. A prosecutor like him needs to be safe. He's a national treasure.

[sojourner]

50. He's currently 44 according to this bio...makes his birth year 1960

Bio here - http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/aboutus/patrickjfizgerald.html

And....from AstroWorld, this...

> Thank you so much Judy. I had the same data from another
> source but can not find it again. May I paste this elsewhere
> in its entirety so as to give you full credit?
>
> bob
>
> --- In [e-mail], "Judy Johns"
> wrote:
> >
> > From: jan61108
> > To: [e-mail]
> > Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 7:26 PM
> > Subject: Source for Patrick Fitzgerald Data
> >
> >
> > PROFILE
> >
> > Patrick J . Fitzgerald
> >
> > BORN: Dec. 22, 1960.
> >
> > HOMETOWN: Brooklyn.
> >
> > EDUCATION: Regis High School, New York (1978); Amherst College,
> B.A. (1982); Harvard Law School, J.D. (1985).
> >
> > CAREER HIGHLIGHTS: Associate handling civil litigation at Christy
> & Viener, now Salans, Hertzfeld, Heilbronn, Christy & Viener, New
> York, 1985-88; assistant United States attorney for the Southern
> District of New York, 1988-2001, including stints as chief of
> narcotics unit, national security coordinator and chief of the
> organized crime-terrorism unit; United States attorney for the
> Northern District of Illinois, 2001 to present.
> >
> > FAMILY: Single.
> >
> > Document Number: A111756810

[icymist]

37. Are you guys aware of this copying of our threads here?

http://dummiefunnies.blogspot.com/

Would you not call this a copyright infringement? After all, © 2001 - 2005 Democratic Underground, LLC
is posted at the bottom of every DU page.

Anyway, I'm personally flatered that this asshat would print my quote and want me to connect with a Hopi witch doctor.... maybe the both of us can fry him? eh?

[Matariki]

38. why did you delete your other post?

just curious.

[icymist]

39. Because when I asked this question in another forum it was ....

the whole thread was removed. No explanation, nothing. I figure that this is a taboo subject so I deleted the above. I also tried to delete this other message, but the edit time expired. I guess there are some questions that should not be asked here.

[Trillo]

41. It seems the usage goes far beyond 'fair use',

but I'm not a lawyer. Certainly the usage has gone far beyond what DU admin has OK'd for posts in LBN, i.e., 4 paragraphs maximum copied with any additional original poster commentary. That may or may not be the limit of any particular fair use: I understand that it's a complex legal issue.

I wonder if there's some kind of ratio of (words copied : commentary) that's been established in the law?

One might make the observation that "PJ-Comix" has little original content versus copied text, and that separate authors here have not been attributed. In reference to one of my postings, she/he writes, "the third node of Jupiter". I guess it's supposed to be funny.

[Desertrose]

42. Maybe we should give Skinner a heads up here....?

they mentioned him as well as quite a few other DUers. I have no idea the legalities or anything else about this....and I realize thats whats on the web seems to be fair game, but......© infringement...hmmmm...

Jerks will be jerks regardless ...does this guy actually think he is a FUNNY jerk?? :rofl:

typical rw freeper stuff...tries to be original but clearly has not quite enough brain power to pull it off... predictable and pathetic.

ON EDIT:
This is just a poor lonely little freeper blogger looking to make some $$ off DU. Now how's that for twisted & pathetic? Hates DU & Dems and yet uses this website to make his "funny" blog. :rofl:

"............ my big hobby is DUmmie observation which I do by observing DUmmies from the Democratic Underground website in my personal DUmmie Ant Farm. I find the DUmmies VERY AMUSING and share my observations of those funny Leftist critters with the rest of the world via my DUmmie FUnnies Blog.

My goal is to receive a multi-million dollar literary contract for a DUmmie FUnnies book which would be supplemented by LOTS of related comix stories and illustrations."

http://www.blogger.com/profile/5490563

Hey PJ..lose the snarky crap and do something worthwhile. The army is always looking for good men....oh wait, can't get a lot of $$$ out ot that gig, can you.
:eyes:

[icymist]

43. Problem is he or she uses copyrighted posts from the DU....

word for word. Not just a few with a link..... Most of the column is copyrighted DU material. I do have to admit, though, the word DUmmie(s) is pretty slick. If this person is out to make money by capitalizing on copyrighted material, than Skinner has a case,IMHO. I have some experience with copyrights in that during the late eighties, I copyrighted a few songs I wrote. We need a lawyer that specializes in copyrights to look at this. Again, from the material I've read during my membership in the National
Academy Of Songwriters, I believe that Skinner may have a legitimate case here.

[Desertrose]

45. Maybe you should PM him?

Tell him what you saw & your experience with copyrights & all.

:) DR

[Dover]

40. The Abu Ghraib photos are due to be released this week too, I think.

If so, it ought to be a REAL interesting week.

[Quakerfriend]

44. And now this:

Powell and Fleisher may have been involved.

http://billmon.org/archives/002029.html

[hippiechick]

46. I have a question on the article .. .sorta off topic ...

Reading that article, several folks on the related message board mention espionage charges against Rove and Novak, and Impeachment and Treason against Bush and Cheney for 'war under false pretenses' ...

My legal background is light and long ago, but;
1. On what would they base an espionage charge ? Rove and Novak weren't actually 'spying' ...

2. Is there anything in Fitzgerald's investigation that would include the scope of 'the war' as an indictable subject, or is his issue strictly limited to the leak, the outing and the cover-up (all of which would certainly qualify for Conspiracy, Obstruction of Justice and Treason indictments for any involved).

Thanks !

[ebayfool]

48. On #2 - A special prosecutor & grand jury isn't limited as to where they

can go, if I remember correctly. They can pretty much follow their noses wherever the scent takes them - remember Ken Starr & Whitewater? If Starr can go from a land deal in Little Rock(?) to a friggin' blue dress, then Fitzgerald has volumes of material to work with & plenty of room to roam!

[WhoseMarie]

55. Further Rove research

Obviously, we need a birth time here. That IS a record that should be able to be obtained. Need: Date and place of birth and it should be in public records somewhere. Depends on the State and how sophisticated they are.

Anyone have this info? I kinda assume this asswipe came from under some slimy rock un a filthy swamp, so I don't have any idea.

[Nancy Waterman]

56. I have Denver, Colorado

as the birth place of the slime ball.

[woodsprite]

58. Anybody have access to Newspaper archives?

Some papers list times with the birth announcements. Worth a try. Here, our Univ and local newspaper have microfiche archives you can search. The local Mormon LDS family history center might have some info.

[Dulcinea]

61. Excellent thinking!

The Mormons have the best genealogy info...maybe someone could check their archives for Rove's birth time, place, etc.!

[OKthatsIT]

59. Prog Saturn moves so slow....

but prog sun's movement is more revealing.