Does anyone have a clue, feeling or anything about when

[saracat]

this hell we are in will end? Does anyone know if Bush will be held accountable? I am feeling depressed at the moment and don't see anything good for our side.But I may just be reacting.I would like to take a temperature reading and see what everyone thinks!

[NJCher]

1. I often think about this while weeding

But first let me answer your question. I think the end will come in 2012 but I think the republicans will be dying a slow death of a 1000 cuts from now through 2008. Major hemorrhaging will occur through 2012. I think they will steal elections all through that time and I think it will become very well known that they did so. It is through their inability to back off when it would be wise to know when to "fold 'em" that will do them in.

Once we get rid of the "weed," though, we have to be aware that there are roots underground that we can't see. They will seek to regain strength and re-emerge. An intense public education effort will aid in eliminating the reestablishment of such "weeds."

While it will be painful to see them steal elections, it will be satisfying to see the death of their programs and ideas--most all of which are unsustainable or too expensive or unworkable for other reasons.

You might wonder where I am getting my information. It is well known that a major change will happen in the U.S. in 2012. I am simply taking my knowledge of the political situation at hand and fitting it with what we know is coming up astrologically.

My two cents.

Next?


Cher

[saracat]

3. Oh, wow! I hope you are wrong because, I will have to get out before that!

I really can't wait till 2012! I am praying for a much sooner resolution. Your prediction (no offense) is really depressing!

[Why Syzygy]

2. No not really

But that's a good question.

We can look back to history a little to get an idea. Nixon was shamed. Saddam H. is iffy. Has he been held accountable? What ever happened to his trial?

Will the current criminals be held to justice? That question is in all our hearts and minds.

I'm a slow healer and am still a little in shock that Gore "lost" in 2000. What a different world it would be.

"Our side" is a little vague. I think you mean the good guys.

[FreedomAngel82]

4. I think about that all the time myself

Sometimes when I sit and meditate on Bush I don't sense anything past the late summer of 2006. Will anything happen? I don't know. It might be just me. :shrug: Anybody else?

[anitar1]

5. I know what you mean ,Saracat. Not a day goes by anymore

Without all this horrible negative stuff popping up. It is a real trial to try and stay centered. One of the things I have noticed that makes it so much worse is,a lack of humor out there.Laughter is healing so I try to contribute with attitude, when I am out amongst people.Then I find myself feeling better.I woke up this morning with a feeling of joy and it was so nice. I have tried to hold on to it all day. Worked in the garden --went to my favorite coffee house and enjoyed. I have stopped watching news, except for local weather ect. Will not watch shows with violence, which leaves almost nothing. We are fed a steady diet of depressing things. Some days, I do not turn the tv on. Makes a difference. I get my news on the web. Much easier, as I can pick and choose. Hang in. We are being tested, I believe. Find things that make you experience some joy.It helps.I also read a lot.

[Desertrose]

7. That sense of joy shouldn't be so rare....

it feels as though we are all carrying a very heavy burden 34/7, all this insanity is damn heavy! I've decided to put the damn weight down anytime I can. I find the more I do it, the less I want to pick it back up, you know? and then I think...hey, why should I carry this? It ultimately serves no purpose to suffer along with the whole world (what can we accomplish thats positive, when we are so bogged down ...I wonder)


I agree completely when you say to find things to help you experience joy. Excellent advice!! :)

I agree that by bringing a tiny bit of joy into my immediate world it might help others .....it for sure would help me...of course its easier said than done- so I don't listen to the news- its all spin & lies anyway. No CNN or MSM news. The web is a great way, I agree...we can immediately counter some really negative stuff with something positive. Its OUR choice what to "feed our heads" and for that matter our hearts, rather than listen to what they want us to swallow on TV.

I think the sooner most of us turn off the BS they want us to hear, the better. I have a feeling that when the stuff hits the fan for bushco, its gonna fall apart fast and there will be a window of opportunity when we can really turn things around...but we will have to be ready with someone who is not the same corrupt politican as the current regime.

FWIW, 2008 popped into my head....not sure what it means. Dates & timeframes are so hard to predict with everything in major flux right now and don't forget good old freewill. Maybe we should all focus on bushco putting down his heavy load and just walking away from his insane grab for power.....can't hurt ,eh? :evilgrin:

[anitar1]

9. I visualize about them leaving office completely exposed

for what they have done. I feel that can happen . So much so, that there will be many who regret having sipped the koolaid But they have definitely been teaching us some heavy lessons. Do we still want the old ways or will we go forward with positive new ways? We cannot have elections go on as they have, where candidates are bought and paid for. So I keep trying to see a new form of government which honors people and honors our Mother Earth. But we have to create it. It is amazing what we create with attitude. * and companies actions somehow make me feel stronger and more focused. I refuse to be dragged in their dust. We deserve much better. It is really time to stop feeling miserable because of those dysfunctional people IMHO.

[anitar1]

6. Sorry, I forgot to say that I feel it will be quite awhile

before we can turn this mess around. The sheer weight of government makes it hard to move energy. Also , there is a line of people behind * to take his place if need be. But the day will come. And then we have years of hard work ahead to repair what they have wrought.

[Why Syzygy]

8. Yes

It is so very easy to get bitter about the * thing.

But let us not.

Moving energy has nothing to do with that bunch. It still works. May be that we get so discouraged that we don't make the effort.

Get a quartz crystal. Sleep with it. Put your energy there. It will give it back 1,000 fold.

I'm so sorry that you feel discouraged. I tend towards the angry tide. It just pisses me off no end that this kind of atrocity can wreck havock on our world. And then I meditate.

The energy is moving. Never doubt it.

[anitar1]

10. I should have been more clear about energy.

They and many others who have created this cumbersome thing we call the government, have created a very slow moving creature. Maybe one person holds another off because they disagree over a procedure--ect ect. All politics seem to be calulated and slow moving. so if something needs to be done, they block each other , creating an energy stalemate. Their energy becomes hard for them to move. Not us. We can move energy quite handily. We are not engaged in their game.

[Why Syzygy]

11. True. and

Understood.

[yellowdawgdem]

12. keep positive

I don't have a strong feeling 1 way or the other about a timeline. It makes sense that something will change in 008-09, for sure. We have a changing of the guard at that time, so it's a window of opportunity. But that's not my gut talking. My gut is just enraged most of the time, and can't seem to get beyond that emotion. I often compare what is happening here to Russia, rather than Germany ww2. A consolidation of power, a media take-over, and tons of red tape slowing things down. Russians have a healthy skepticism, though. They never swallowed their news whole the way we do. I worry that Americans will choke on their own propaganda. Because we really believe that stuff, and most people live in a kind of warped denial. That said, I have a generally hopeful feeling, that things will turn around at some point. I think they already are turning around, it's just that we don't witness it directly because of our news media filtering out brave acts of dissent.

[LaurenG]

13. Things are changing now

as we speak things continue to change. I have heard that by the end of 05 we will see more movement to out some of the administration. People do not like this war and numbers continue to plummet. It may not change overnight but the possibility is always there that there is more going on than any of us are privy too. I would consider 2012 the end of the change but no one knows for certain. I continue to have hope that things will be looking better in 2006-2008.